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 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



It's damn difficult to discern which of his underwhelming experiences someone of Arthur Penn's stature regards as his most problematic, the behind-the-scenes debacle of "The Chase"



or his equally tempestuous second go-around with Mr. Unpredictable.



Mind u, it remains a thoroughly fascinating flick (if for all the wrong reasons)



yet still worth seeing for these two next-door neighbors in their one and onliest tag cinematic teaming.



How do YOU feel about it?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

Earlier today, I was visiting a dear friend in the convalescent home, and he was watching this film. It was being shown on AMC this afternoon. I haven't seen it since its initial release. Today I saw just the final half hour. I must revisit this one.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 10:30 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Coincidentally, I got this from the library a few days ago and will watch it soon. I'm intrigued to see how Penn followed up his masterwork NIGHT MOVES.

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2014 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

i remember it wasnt that well received critically in the uk, and when i saw it i wasnt expecting miracles.
Not the most fast-paced western, and Brandos dialogue was the usual mumble with an odd accent, Williams music was noticeable, especially that creepy harmonica. it did have a degree of 70s western about it, unexpected endings and messing with hero -villain identities. Its one of those films where the villain doesnt seem too bad and you are rooting for him, and the "good guy" is truly vile and smug, so its clever the way it messes with the usual western simplicity.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2014 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I love this film. To have my favourite actor Jack Nicholson star in a film scored by my favourite composer John Williams is certainly something in itself (well, there's also WITCHES OF EASTWICK for that). PLUS having the legend Marlon Brando play opposite Nicholson and 'riffing' about screen performances. AND to have it directed by Hollywood's enfant terrible Arthur Penn. Even if the film doesn't quite live up to the talent involved, it's still an underrated piece of genre material -- a subversive western.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2014 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

I'm kinda fond of THE MISSOURI BREAKS (1976). I still have the published script by Thomas McGaune, which is real close to how it was filmed:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345252187/sr=1-1/qid=1416816548/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1416816548&sr=1-1

In a couple of weeks I get rid of the DVD because a new hi-def transfer is coming out December 9:

http://www.amazon.com/Missouri-Breaks-Blu-ray-Marlon-Brando/dp/B00NQKW8MO/ref=pd_bxgy_mov_img_y

THE CHASE (1966) gets criticized a lot, but I'm fond of it, too.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2014 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

My favourite Brando line from the movie happens to be his last:

"Well..."

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2014 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My favourite Brando line from the movie happens to be his last:

"Well..."


And my favourite line in the film is from Nicholson right before that. "Know what woke you up?" or some such thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2014 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



It's definitely an odd hyridian bird of an oater (we definitely cotton to your savvy assessment, Asgardian, of its subversive nature) yet, as previously admitted, not without its considerable charms.

[ As to that, your favorite line from Mr. Nicholson is just prior (not Richard) to him actually explaining exactly what just DID wake his assailant up - and forever out). ].

This is also one of those occasions Mr. Penn's mastery of both directing and acting - his only colleague in that royal regard was Mike Nichols as both being heir to theatrical origins before Hollywood called - was probably more traffic cop than anything else. Given Mr. Brando's off-the-chart eccentric nature (thoroughly entertaining and surprising as they always were and are) the equally canny Mr. Nicholson intuitively surmised there was no percentage in trying to match his next-door neighbor so he wisely simmered and underplayed their scenes: a strategy that made him all the more effective.



As for "The Chase", why there haven't been endless essays or doctoral thesis on this textbook case of a
producer hijacking the film away from his director and imposing his OWN dictates (up to and including,
we believe, hiring our favorite composer - John Barry - probably with no input from the forcibly-departed
Mr. Penn.

That the flick still manages to exert its own particular enthrallment is a minor major movie miracle all its own ...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2014 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



As for Mr. McGuane, we'd love to get a glimpse of his original screenplay he
worked with the ornery star on for so long as we'd dearly doubt the finished version
is even remotely akin to his inaugural conception - especially with Mr. McQueen
inevitably imposing HIS own replacement director and other roll eyes 'improvements" roll eyes



Ah, hell - at least nobody mucked about with Ernest Gold's splendid score
(and where's the bleedin' deeveedee on THAT!?!)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2014 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)

I hope Brando is not being blamed for the dramatic ineffectiveness of either of these two films. He's the best thing about each one. Imagine his absence from either film, with The Chase bogged down by all of those southern melodramatic Peyton Place mini-dramas badly embellished and The Missouri Breaks being so subversive (apt description Thor) who cares what happens to anyone in it? It would have been just as effective re-written entirely with its cast (excepting Brando) picking their parts out of a hat.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2014 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Respectfully, Art, "The Chase" was more bogged down - and kreatively sabotaged - by all the shenanigans that went on BEHIND the scenes than anything in front of it ...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2014 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

By the way, here's my earlier Cinema Club entry on THE CHASE, if anyone's interested (posted 13 years ago...yikes!):

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=5266&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2014 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Say, Asgardian, why don't ya just save all of us this ferreting around and just PUBLISH the brilliantly-belated Thor Archives, willya?!? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

He, he...yeah, I should. I dread the day that the messageboard crashes and/or get disbanded and I somehow miss the opportunity to store my own and other people's interesting threads from the past.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

There's an interview with Chase co-star Richard Bradford (an extremely good actor BTW) where he says that Brando offered him advice to the effect of "Don't take shit from nobody". Bradford naturally took heed from his idol and proceeded to wreck his own career as a leading man by being "difficult" with producers. Terrible advice to a young actor from Brando there.

It was all very well for Brando to be difficult with producers - he was THE Marlon Brando, and they'd take it up to point - but they sure weren't going to take it from a young punk with no track record. Fortunately, Bradford eventually carved himself a decent career as a reliable character actor. But I think we lost an interesting movie star thanks to what amounted to Brando's sabotage. Sad thing is that he probably meant well.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I love this film. To have my favourite actor Jack Nicholson star in a film scored by my favourite composer John Williams is certainly something in itself (well, there's also WITCHES OF EASTWICK for that). PLUS having the legend Marlon Brando play opposite Nicholson and 'riffing' about screen performances. AND to have it directed by Hollywood's enfant terrible Arthur Penn. Even if the film doesn't quite live up to the talent involved, it's still an underrated piece of genre material -- a subversive western.

Brando is wonderfulLly quirky!
I love that irish brogue.

Best line by MB" 'Alaways finish the work, and i don't give a damn if i get paid or not"

CHECK IT OUT!
BRM

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

There's an interview with Chase co-star Richard Bradford (an extremely good actor BTW) where he says that Brando offered him advice to the effect of "Don't take shit from nobody". .

Bradford is one of the most blatant Brando imitators of his era.
Nuthing personal against the guy , but his Brandoesque ticks are really annoying

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

There's an interview with Chase co-star Richard Bradford (an extremely good actor BTW) where he says that Brando offered him advice to the effect of "Don't take shit from nobody". .

Bradford is one of the most blatant Brando imitators of his era.
Nuthing personal against the guy , but his Brandoesque ticks are really annoying


Jeez, people on forums so often do a hit and run post with "so-and-so sucks, so there!" type comments and then vanish. You're left wondering "Is that it? Wow, I'll alert the media".

What, are people saving their "best writing" for the novels they're perpetually about to write? C'mon. Opinions are fine, but more insight please. Nourishment.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

El Bruco is not here to nourish you, unbelievers! Do not ask for embellishment.
You must take the snatches of wisdom and do with them what you will.

 
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