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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

When it comes to vintage scores, I've always taken Gone With the Wind for granted, thinking it would always be available and I'd pick it up one of these days. Now I'm ready to buy the score, and I can't determine which of the many CD's is the one.

For the original recording, which is the most complete and in best sound?

If there's a re-recording worth listening to, which?

Thanks in advance.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   nevinson1966   (Member)

you really need to find a copy of the RHINO long-box 2 cd set. this has the full score.

its hard to find now so it might be pricey,but its well worth getting

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Yes, the Rhino set plus the Charles Gerhardt re-recording with the National Philharmonic.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

My go to recording of Gone With The Wind is Gerhardt's. If you are interested you can hear a lengthy suite from that album by going to http://www.cinematicsound.net/a-tribute-to-charles-gerhardt-4-part-series/

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

I agree that the Gerhardt is a great "concert-type" experience, with wonderful sound (to my non-audiophile ears).

Are we allowed to talk about the Steiner Society tapes? They seem to represent some kind of holy grail if you want every last take of every last cue.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Actually, the Society tapes only have one cue that is not on the Rhino album (I believe it's during the roadside farewell near the end of Act One). And the Rhino has several cues not on the MSMS tapes. My problem with the Rhino is the way they replicated the clumsy edit between the forward and the opening scene. I would have retained the full dynamic on the opening chord of the "goose" motif. For that matter, most of Selznick's pictures had annoying transitions between the emblem and the main title. Max's dynamic opening is ruined in the film mix.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Actually, the Society tapes only have one cue that is not on the Rhino album (I believe it's during the roadside farewell near the end of Act One). And the Rhino has several cues not on the MSMS tapes.

Off topic: May I trouble you, Ray, to clear up one thing that has bothered me for eons? Which cue on the cd is the one that on the MSMS tapes has the annotation "Pretty Quadroon Chorus"?

One topic: I have heard the Rhino 2-disc set, and as much as I thought it would pale against the Gerhardt stereo, it really is worth having. As soon as I find one, I'll be buying it.

BTW, I keep seeing the Gerhardt for cheap, Richad, so nab it when you see it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

may be of further interest:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=30136&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Actually, the Steiner tapes have three cues not on theRhino.

A dance versionof Rhetts theme layed at the barbecue, hte music for Unlce Henry trying to get the chicken to kill for Thanksgiving, and an alternate deathof Gerald, followed by scarlett to deciding to make the drapes into a dress - this music was deleted from the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2015 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

I watched a new copy of the Rhino set at ebay for 5 days and got it for $19.95 plus free shipping about a month ago. So it is possible to get it at a good price. You just have to be patient. Honestly not a lot of interest in this set over there just check it out for a couple months and one will appear.
Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I'm just watching Gone with the wind on blu-ray.
I assume it has been discussed, although i can't find anything right now, but any particular reason the rhino release is missing overture, intermission, entr'acte (film version) and exit music?

i see a small part of the intermission music is included in an older single cd i have..

edit: oh, i guess the answer lies in the link previously posted.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2016 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

I agree that the Gerhardt is a great "concert-type" experience, with wonderful sound (to my non-audiophile ears).

To my audiophile ear (no plural after my brain tumor surgery), too!

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Please reissue this, please. I'm thanking you (whoever you are) in advance: Thank you. big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2016 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Please reissue this, please. I'm thanking you (whoever you are) in advance: Thank you. big grin

The Gerhardt (best sounding though not as complete as the Rhino) was actually reissued and re-mastered not so awfully long ago, and is even more fantastic sounding than the original CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Steiners-Classic-Scores/dp/B0041GWWQ4/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1455079177&sr=1-2&keywords=gone+with+the+wind+cd

The only bone I have to pick with this recording is Gerhardt's omission of the choral "Dixie" reference in the main title. On the other hand, the final cue is stellar musically as well as sonically, and just knocks my socks off every time. I guess you can't have it all. For my money, the music in this recording seals the deal for Steiner as a top top drawer film music composer, however much disrespect he may get (some deservedly) for all the Viennese-style schmaltzy stuff, all the "mickey-mousing" and all those quotations from folk songs and military airs that populate his more mundane scores. GWTW just soars! Gerhardt knocked this one out of the park.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 12:49 AM   
 By:   FabioS   (Member)

Strangely, neither Gerhardt or Rhino present the finale cue (where Steiner masterfully manipulates the Tara theme), exactly as it is. The Gerhardt album anyway is a beautiful rerecording of the score.

Clip of the last scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ5ICXMC4xY

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

Please reissue this, please. I'm thanking you (whoever you are) in advance: Thank you. big grin

The Gerhardt (best sounding though not as complete as the Rhino) was actually reissued and re-mastered not so awfully long ago, and is even more fantastic sounding than the original CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Steiners-Classic-Scores/dp/B0041GWWQ4/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1455079177&sr=1-2&keywords=gone+with+the+wind+cd

The only bone I have to pick with this recording is Gerhardt's omission of the choral "Dixie" reference in the main title. On the other hand, the final cue is stellar musically as well as sonically, and just knocks my socks off every time. I guess you can't have it all. For my money, the music in this recording seals the deal for Steiner as a top top drawer film music composer, however much disrespect he may get (some deservedly) for all the Viennese-style schmaltzy stuff, all the "mickey-mousing" and all those quotations from folk songs and military airs that populate his more mundane scores. GWTW just soars! Gerhardt knocked this one out of the park.


The Gerhardts recording is great, sure, but it's a re-arrangement (by Chris Palmer ?) "At the depot" is strangely overdone, as is the finale - spectacular but re-written, unfaithfull to the original, and partially loosing its anthemic, "simple grandeur" quality. I like this recording, but it's far from definitive in my book.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



The Gerhardts recording is great, sure, but it's a re-arrangement (by Chris Palmer ?) "At the depot" is strangely overdone, as is the finale - spectacular but re-written, unfaithfull to the original, and partially loosing its anthemic, "simple grandeur" quality. I like this recording, but it's far from definitive in my book.


Indeed, the Gerhardt recording is excellent and very much worth seeking out, but it is lacking all the choral music from GWTW, so it is in no way "definitive". It's a first class arrangement.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   alintgen   (Member)

Of course the Gerhardt recording is not definitive if you define definitive as a complete recording of the music as it appeared in the film. But it is the best version of GWTW, by far, because of the conducting, the performance, the sound, the album production, and every conceivable parameter. In fact, it is a rather remarkable and totally coherent arrangement of a score that would be too long to play on a repeated basis, even if it existed on a complete recording.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Actually, the Steiner tapes have three cues not on theRhino.

A dance versionof Rhetts theme layed at the barbecue, hte music for Unlce Henry trying to get the chicken to kill for Thanksgiving, and an alternate deathof Gerald, followed by scarlett to deciding to make the drapes into a dress - this music was deleted from the film.


Joe - I don't think the Uncle Peter rooster stalk music is on the MSMS tapes. You may be thinking of the cartoon medley in THE GREAT LIE.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

If you want the most amount amount of music, you have to go for the Rhino 2-CD set.

What I don't think anyone mentioned is that the Gerhardt recording is nothing more than a slightly expanded version of the suite that Steiner put together in 1954 or '56, or so. All the changes mentioned (like the finale, etc.) were done by Steiner with the intention of making the suite a more well-rounded listening experience. The suite was recorded by Steiner for RCA (later reissued as as an RCA Camden LP and then a poorly advertised RCA CD (which also included Steiner's 1950s recordings of themes from THE SEARCHERS, THE CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE, and more). It also received several more recordings by Cyril Ornadel, Walter Stott (later known as Angela Morley), and Muir Mathieson.

My favorite recording of this suite (probably because it was the first I heard, and therefore became ingrained in my mind), was the one on the Warner Brothers LP, conducted by Muir Mathieson. It was later reissued on a Stanyon LP and as a CD on both Sonic Images and Laserlight.

 
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