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 Posted:   Feb 18, 2015 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

In case anyone's interested I'm posting the following info...it's a long shot that an expanded/complete Collateral release will come our way, but I'm curious about the following types of info so maybe someone else out there is.

So, regarding the complicated musical score tapestry that is James Newton Howard, Antonio Pinto, and Tom Rothrock's Collateral! There have been several threads on this score but none really attempted to catalogue the complete score as heard in the film, with total film score runtime and individual cues, so I thought I'd attempt to do so here. Also, I just watched the film for the third time, so thought I'd give it a go (like I recently did with Alan Silvestri's Ricochet in another thread I did). It's actually kind of fun to break down the complete score by watching the film, and maybe others will find interesting info here.

I'm sure all of you know, but the score for Michael Mann's Collateral was ultimately divided up by (ostensibly) three composers: James Newton Howard, Antonio Pinto, and Tom Rothrock. In watching the film and noting each score cue, aside from cues identified by composer via the official soundtrack, it was near impossible to tell who wrote which cue, so I will list each cue in the complete score and identify the composer as best I can. Conclusions can also be drawn from a bit of information I gathered in researching the score online.

***** Here is a bit of info on JNH's experience working on Collateral as published by Dan Goldwasser on Soundtrack.net ... JNH: "...my eyes were wide open walking into it - but the one that did make a difference to me was that he had expressed that he wanted a much more scored approach to the big climax in the film, and so the last 17-minutes or so were much more specifically scored. At least, those moments were much more scored than typically had happened in Michael Mann movies beforehand. It doesn't mean those moments hadn't been attempted before, but Michael had never been comfortable with that kind of approach before. It was just right for this movie, and it seemed to work well. The first piece I did was starting from the beginning of the chase to the end, and I knew that that would be the lion's share of what I was going to do. Then I went back and wrote pretty much the rest of the movie, and some of those cues stayed in, and some of them didn't."

***** In an interview with supervising sound editor Elliott Koretz from mixonline article "Sounds of L.A. Propel Collateral" ... Koretz: "James Newton Howard is the main composer, but there's a variety of different music for different scenes from composers Tom Rothrock and Antonio Pinto to Paul Oakenfold and Audioslave. And there was an army of music editors ... Brazilian composer Antonio Pinto, who did City of God, was — in ‘Michaelese’ — ‘the architect of Vincent's [Tom Cruise's character] deconstruction as it occurs throughout the course of the film.’ That's not necessarily what he was hired for, but that's what he wound up being. His music appears in reel 3, as the night starts to fall apart for Vincent, and it propels that dramatic line. James Newton Howard's music is the emotional tension binding the diverse sensibilities that are the story of Collateral and Los Angeles ... Tom Rothrock's music wound up being Fanning's story on some level. Fanning is the LAPD detective with intuition about what's happening. Tom's music is in the cue where we see Vincent for the first time, and also where we see Max cleaning up his cab and getting into it."

*This is not intended to be a thread discussing the merits of Mann's use of music or style of scoring his films, but instead a breakdown of the individual cues, cue length, and complete score, with some commentary on each composer's role in creating the score.*

Complete Score Runtime (as heard in film by all composers) -- 51:00
Official Soundtrack CD (score tracks only) Runtime -- 16:24 (JNH 7:38/Pinto 4:17/Rothrock 4:29)

Complete score cue breakdown (as heard in film); cues named by me except otherwise noted and cues' composers identified when known. This information was assembled to the best of my ability and may not be entirely accurate! smile

1. Briefcase (1:42) -- composer: Tom Rothrock (from official soundtrack, edited in film)
2. Dropping Off Annie (1:14)
3. Escalator (0:30)
4. Rollin' Crumblin' (2:08) -- composer: Tom Rothrock (from official soundtrack, edited in film)
5. First Hit (Vincent Coerces Max) (2:10)
6. Pulled Over (1:50)
7. Second Hit (Penthouse) (1:00)
8. Vincent Kills Thieves (1:10)
9. Third Hit (A Little Jazz) (2:47)
10. Elevator (0:55)
11. Max Steals Briefcase (2:40) -- composer: JNH (from official soundtrack, extended in film)
12. Morgue Discovery (1:30)
13. Vincent and Max Share (2:15)
14. Max is Vincent / Feds (2:10)
15. Felix (0:55)
16. Fourth Hit (Peter Lim) (1:52)
17. Feds Follow Cab (1:50) -- probably composed by Rothrock
18. Car Crash (2:35) -- composer: Antonio Pinto (from official soundtrack, extended in film)
19. Fifth Hit (Warning/Shadows/Subway) (15:25) -- composer: JNH (as confirmed by composer), including "Vincent Hops Train" from official soundtrack
20. Finale (4:20) -- as far as I can tell, the JNH track "Finale" from the official soundtrack is unused in the film; Antonio Pinto's track "Requiem" is used in the film instead, with other unidentified score

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2015 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

These are the composers I have been able to find so far; question marks mark where I am unsure if it was specifically additional music or if the composers did more or a full score which did not get used:

[James Newton Howard; Kevin "KK" Kerrigan (additional), Tom Rothrock (leftovers?), Antonio Pinto (leftovers?), Zachary Koretz (additional?), Charlie Clouser (additional), Lisa Gerrard (additional), Rick Shaffer (one cue), Thomas Schobel (score, but any left in?); Gustavo Santaolalla (stock source cue).]

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2015 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Why didn't you use the official cue list as a reference?

http://www.usc.edu/libraries/finding_aids/records/finding_aid.php?fa=0075


2m1v2 Vincent Reveals ID
2m1Rv2 Vincent Reveals ID
2m3v7 Cops
2m4v4 Sylvester Clarke
3m1v3 You Like Jazz?
3m4v7 Daniel Is Killed
3m5v2 Flowers
3m7v3 Vincent And Ida
3m8v12 Max Steals Briefcase
4m1v6 Fanning At Morgue
4m1Av4 Talk About Parents
4m2v4 Island Limos
4m4v16 Surveillance At Rodeo
5m1v6 Cops Pursue
6m3v38 Race To Annie
6m4v6 Vincent Cuts Power
6m5v14 Cat & Mouse
7m1v15 Race To The Metro
7m2v15 Insert
7m2v19 Race To The Metro (cont'd)
7m3v8 Would Anyone Notice

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

Hey DR,

Was reading your posts on ALIEN and RICCOCHET, both scores that I also love most dearly. Hadn't had time to answer unfortunately...
And well, see what you got going on here: something for COLLATERAL which is currently no 1 on my JNH wanted list!
These two plus your love for Kamen and Beltrami...could it be that we both kinda like the same music? ;-D

For COLLATERAL I did a track listing a few years ago in an attempt to include all of the music used in the picture, including some of the instrumental source cues that were more or less used as underscore. Meaning, everything except songs with vocals.
Thanks for the cue list, Jason! I incorporated the titles and unused JNH tracks in the list.
I haven't seen the movie for some time now, so some cues might be slightly misplaced. Also I'm sure there're bits and pieces I'm forgetting but most the stuff should be included :-)
Here's what I came up with:

01. Briefcase - Tom Rothrock
02. Driften - Thomas Schobel - Heard when Max drops off Annie
03. Vincent on Escalator - Unknown
04. Air - Klazz Brothers & Cuba Percussion – When Max and Vincent drive to the first target
05. Rollin' Crumblin' - Tom Rothrock – Fanning searches the apartment
06. 2m1v2 Vincent Reveals ID / 2m1Rv2 Vincent Reveals ID - James Newton Howard
07. 2m3v7 Cops - James Newton Howard
08. 2m4v4 Sylvester Clarke - James Newton Howard
09. Shooting in the Alley – Unknown (Sounds very much like parts from 2m3v7 and 6m3v38 though)
10. Crime Scene - Unknown
11. Fanning’s Theory - Unknown
12. Spanish Key - Miles Davis
13. 3m1v3 You Like Jazz? [Unused] - James Newton Howard
- Seemingly replaced with:
14. Iguazu - Gustavo Santaolalla
15. 3m4v7 Daniel Is Killed [Unused] - James Newton Howard
- Seemingly replaced with:
16. Steel Cello Lamet - Elliot Goldenthal - From "HEAT"
17. Max's Panic - Antonio Pinto
18. 3m5v2 Flowers - James Newton Howard
19. 3m7v3 Vincent And Ida - James Newton Howard
20. 3m8v12 Max Steals Briefcase - James Newton Howard
21. 4m1v6 Fanning At Morgue - James Newton Howard
22. 4m1Av4 Talk About Parents - James Newton Howard
23. 4m2v4 Island Limos - James Newton Howard
24. Exil [Edit] - Pieter Bourke & Lisa Gerrad - From "The Insider" - Used during the talk with Felix
25. 4m4v16 Surveillance At Rodeo [Unused] - James Newton Howard
- Seemingly replaced with:
26. Moxica and the Horse [Edit] - Vangelis - From "1492" - Used in the surveillance scene after Max returns from Felix
27. 5m1v6 Cops Pursue [Unused] - James Newton Howard
- Seemingly replaced with:
28. LAX - Tom Rothrock - Pursue of the cab to LAX
29. A Roda [Edit] - Antonio Pinto - From "ABRIL DESPEDACADO" - A very brief shot of the cab driving
30. Ready Steady Go [Remix] - Paul Oakenfold - Club shootout
31. Last Stop - Antonio Pinto
32. Car Crash - Antonio Pinto
33. 6m3v38 Race To Annie - James Newton Howard
34. 6m4v6 Vincent Cuts Power - James Newton Howard
35. 6m5v14 Cat & Mouse - James Newton Howard
36. 7m1v15 Race To The Metro - James Newton Howard
37. 7m2v15 Insert - James Newton Howard
38. 7m2v19 Race To The Metro (cont'd) - James Newton Howard - Presumably "Vincent Hops Train" on the OST
- The film version of this is slightly different, sounding more like a sophisticated edit than an alternate recording though
39. 7m3v8 Would Anyone Notice [Unused] - James Newton Howard - Presumably "Finale" on the OST
40. Murder On the MTA - Antonio Pinto
41. Requiem [Edit] - Antonio Pinto
- The last two cues are edited into each other for the most part if I remember correctly.

Also a shortened version of David Arnold's Changing Lanes Main Title was used in the (I think first) trailer.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Why didn't you use the official cue list as a reference?

http://www.usc.edu/libraries/finding_aids/records/finding_aid.php?fa=0075


Because I didn't know it existed.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

14. Iguazu - Gustavo Santaolalla - From "BABEL"

This isn't from Babel originally, of course, as Babel didn't come out until two years after Collateral. And I thought we agreed to never speak of Santaolalla, Babel, or "Iguazu" ever again.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

14. Iguazu - Gustavo Santaolalla - From "BABEL"

This isn't from Babel originally, of course, as Babel didn't come out until two years after Collateral. And I thought we agreed to never speak of Santaolalla, Babel, or "Iguazu" ever again.


Rectified ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

It has been a long time since I watched this movie. I remember really liking it. Glad to see Cruise take on a villain role for once. I always thought J N Howard did all the music, so I am glad to be educated here about various composers. Now I want to watch the movie again to see if there are distinct sound or score differences between cues or if 3 composers create a seamless whole.

Thanks DR and others for educating me.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

It has been a long time since I watched this movie. I remember really liking it. Glad to see Cruise take on a villain role for once. I always thought J N Howard did all the music, so I am glad to be educated here about various composers. Now I want to watch the movie again to see if there are distinct sound or score differences between cues or if 3 composers create a seamless whole.

Thanks DR and others for educating me.


No problem, Joan! Glad you found this info provided by myself and others informative.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2015 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Mike S   (Member)

Why didn't you use the official cue list as a reference?

http://www.usc.edu/libraries/finding_aids/records/finding_aid.php?fa=0075


Why didn't you use a less dickish way to offer this information?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2015 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Mink   (Member)

It has been a long time since I watched this movie. I remember really liking it. Glad to see Cruise take on a villain role for once. I always thought J N Howard did all the music, so I am glad to be educated here about various composers. Now I want to watch the movie again to see if there are distinct sound or score differences between cues or if 3 composers create a seamless whole.

Thanks DR and others for educating me.


I think the difference in style is pretty noticeable. Nevertheless it all fits the film very well. Mann has a talent for weaving different soundscapes into his movies without having them contradict each other I think.

For me JNHs contributions stick out the most though. The percussion section in the action tracks during the subway finale are kick-ass and among the best things he's ever done IMO! I'm more than happy that at least the coolest one (“Vincent Hops Train”) made it onto the OST. It's the most crucial piece for me and there are times when I listen to it on repeat for a good amount of time. It's only two minutes but it's that good!

I remember MV once posting a list of score albums they were trying to do but were rejected by the studio and COLLATERAL was among those. So I guess we won't see a score only release any time soon unfortunately...

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2015 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

Was reading your posts on ALIEN and RICCOCHET, both scores that I also love most dearly. Hadn't had time to answer unfortunately...
And well, see what you got going on here: something for COLLATERAL which is currently no 1 on my JNH wanted list!
These two plus your love for Kamen and Beltrami...could it be that we both kinda like the same music? ;-D


Hey Mink! Well I did a complete score breakdown for Ricochet, but not sure what post you're referring to regarding Alien...was that the one I wrote recently where I was sort of re-discovering the score, and still finding new and rich things within it even after all these years? That's the only thing I can remember saying about Alien recently...

Yes, I believe our tastes are in sync, JNH and Kamen and Beltrami to begin with. smile

Thanks for your contributions and information regarding Collateral's score!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2015 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Ant   (Member)

I hope more music from the film comes out someday. The last 20 minutes has some really good horror/thriller stuff.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2015 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

If MV did, I can't find a comment about it on FSM. No, I didn't use the FSM search engine, since it's not dependable. I went to Google and entered:
site:filmscoremonthly.com "La La Land Records" Collateral

Since his user name is the label name.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2015 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   bidogg   (Member)

Why didn't you use the official cue list as a reference?

http://www.usc.edu/libraries/finding_aids/records/finding_aid.php?fa=0075


Where can I find the official cue lists of other composers? Anyway it's time for the score of Collateral to have a proper release!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2015 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


Where can I find the official cue lists of other composers?


I am unaware of any other "official" resource like that USC one for JNH's stuff. But I can link you to two different places that might have what you're looking for

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20819

http://filmcues.blogspot.com.es/

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2015 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   bidogg   (Member)


I am unaware of any other "official" resource like that USC one for JNH's stuff. But I can link you to two different places that might have what you're looking for

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20819

http://filmcues.blogspot.com.es/


Thank you very much!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2015 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   bidogg   (Member)

Is there the official cue list for Antonio Pinto and Tom Rothrock too?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2016 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   bidogg   (Member)

On IMDb the composers of Collateral are James Newton Howard, Zachary Koretz, Antonio Pinto, Tom Rothrock, Thom Russo and Thomas Schobel.

 
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