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 Posted:   Mar 10, 2015 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   davenportmatthew   (Member)

Sorry for opening up another thread regarding the scores from THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD and THE ROBE, especially considering there are already several threads on each of these score, but I’m having a real hard time finding the answer the question I’m looking for;

During the Lazarus resurrection scene in THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, what music is actually used in the movie? From my understanding, it’s a patch work of multiple cue(s) from other scores/sources (TGSET and The Robe)?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2015 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

There may be other music thrown in but The Robe, then original music for TGSET and finally Handel's Messiah. The 3 disc set has the complete Newman underscoring with chorus and it is marvelous. Through different cuts of the film the music changed. But never did Newman's complete underscore play out.

 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2015 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

You can play the CD with the film to get Newman's original intent; they match up pretty well. Unfortunately, the Crucifixion music (arguably Newman's greatest single cue) is forever linked to the Verdi Requiem in all recorded versions.

 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2015 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

Unfortunately, the Crucifixion music (arguably Newman's greatest single cue) is forever linked to the Verdi Requiem in all recorded versions.

Excuse my ignorance, but what piece is used from Verdi’s Requiem?

 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2015 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

what piece is used from Verdi’s Requiem?

It's the "Requiem aeternam" part of the Libera me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2015 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   David Charles   (Member)

I have heard that there is a significant amount of music missing from the 3 disc set. If so, perhaps a complete recording might be released one day.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2019 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Its the time of the year again..
Every year I try to listen to this score and every time I fall asleep.
I dont wanna say its a boring score.I consider myself a golden ager and a silver ager..and I love the movies and the music.In the case of THE GREATEST STORY ..though ..- and I'm only talking about the music seperated from the movie..- its a real hard listening with no highlights to hang on to.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2019 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Its the time of the year again..
Every year I try to listen to this score and every time I fall asleep.
I dont wanna say its a boring score.I consider myself a golden ager and a silver ager..and I love the movies and the music.In the case of THE GREATEST STORY ..though ..- and I'm only talking about the music seperated from the movie..- its a real hard listening with no highlights to hang on to.


This is a top 3 score for me. Alfred's writing for both strings and woodwinds is quite simply about as artistic as anything got in the latter half of the 20th century.

That said, it really isn't strikingly great for casual listeners; there are details in the recorded score (including the sensational conducting and overall performance of the musicians) which might escape one's notice if one weren't especially familiar with Alfred's music. In fact, in a way GSET is like How the West Was Won, in that the (necessary) repetition within the score is in part made brilliant through Newman's employment of rubato, colorfully different instrumentations and arrangements, cool harmonic twists. and at times what sound like happy accidents made during the recordings that were kept for personality and/or edge's sake.

Alfred seemed to know that people would be listening to this score for a long time, and in a way it could be seen as a bit of a Heiliger Dankesang in this period of his life. There are many treasures that lay beneath the surface (but that goes for all the Alfred Newman scores, the deeper you dig the more treasure uncovered).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2019 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Its the time of the year again..
Every year I try to listen to this score and every time I fall asleep.
I dont wanna say its a boring score.I consider myself a golden ager and a silver ager..and I love the movies and the music.In the case of THE GREATEST STORY ..though ..- and I'm only talking about the music seperated from the movie..- its a real hard listening with no highlights to hang on to.




Same for me. Way too austere. Every few years I play it again, hoping I'll somehow have developed a liking or even just a better appreciation of it. But it's not to be. Always ends up sounding to me like music which would be appropriate for paying one's respects at a half-hour funeral service, but not a sitting through in its entirety for listening pleasure.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2019 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Its the time of the year again..
Every year I try to listen to this score and every time I fall asleep.
I dont wanna say its a boring score.I consider myself a golden ager and a silver ager..and I love the movies and the music.In the case of THE GREATEST STORY ..though ..- and I'm only talking about the music seperated from the movie..- its a real hard listening with no highlights to hang on to.




Same for me. Way too austere. Every few years I play it again, hoping I'll somehow have developed a liking or even just a better appreciation of it. But it's not to be. Always ends up sounding to me like music which would be appropriate for paying one's respects at a half-hour funeral service, but not a sitting through in its entirety for listening pleasure.


I feel like an alien now.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2019 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Its the time of the year again..
Every year I try to listen to this score and every time I fall asleep.
I dont wanna say its a boring score.I consider myself a golden ager and a silver ager..and I love the movies and the music.In the case of THE GREATEST STORY ..though ..- and I'm only talking about the music seperated from the movie..- its a real hard listening with no highlights to hang on to.




Same for me. Way too austere. Every few years I play it again, hoping I'll somehow have developed a liking or even just a better appreciation of it. But it's not to be. Always ends up sounding to me like music which would be appropriate for paying one's respects at a half-hour funeral service, but not a sitting through in its entirety for listening pleasure.


I feel like an alien now.


If indeed you are an alien in this matter, you’re not alone. Since getting the Ryko album for Christmas last year, the score has risen in appreciation for me (though I still prefer The Robe as far Newman’s biblical scores) and I like its more intimate orchestrations.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2019 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)



I feel like an alien now.


It's those who cannot appreciate the music who are the aliens!

It's a fabulous score. Arguably Newman's best and I never tire of playing it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

I never said I don't appreciate this score.. in a composition sense ( Even I dont like the S.Barber use at all for the main theme )And being in the soundtrack listening buisness now for almost 40 years and a long time classical music lover I think I can tell what lies beneath.
Some Barber..some Händel...sure..maybe some great conducting and performimg as well...ok.. I like Alfred Newmanns work and he indeed is one of the greatest .Nevertheless...its not a score , for me at least, which is much enjoyable to listen to, for nearly 90 min or so..here I prefer Händle Bach etc.
But what I really can recommend is THE MAN OF GALLILEA Choral suite by Ken Darby adapted from excerpts of ROBE and GREATEST STORY.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 1:32 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

I never said I don't appreciate this score.. in a composition sense ( Even I dont like the S.Barber use at all for the main theme )And being in the soundtrack listening buisness now for almost 40 years and a long time classical music lover I think I can tell what lies beneath.
Some Barber..some Händel...sure..maybe some great conducting and performimg as well...ok.. I like Alfred Newmanns work and he indeed is one of the greatest .Nevertheless...its not a score , for me at least, which is much enjoyable to listen to, for nearly 90 min or so..here I prefer Händle Bach etc.
But what I really can recommend is THE MAN OF GALLILEA Choral suite by Ken Darby adapted from excerpts of ROBE and GREATEST STORY.


Hey if you don't like something you don't like it. Perfectly understandable.

Hey, I don't like Star Wars, and suffer from Lucas-worshipping legions' wrath regularly.

I never meant to impugn your taste in music, and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Sorry, there is NO Samuel barber in this score.
BTW the music tracks kept changing, depending on which cut of the film.
By the time the film reached NYC, Newmans own resurrection and Hallelujah music had been restored, only for Act One.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well I think there is very much of S.Barber in it..you might listen to the Entracte or the Exit Music.If those two pieces arent straight Adagio from Barber..well than I dont now what is!?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   alamobob2007   (Member)

I've told this before - but I couldn't resist chiming in because of the 'subject' of this thread. When I was 14 I purchased a ticket to see 'GSET' in Cinerama at the Odeon-Carlton theatre in Toronto. At the time we lived in Oshawa - some 40 miles east of Toronto. It was a big deal in 1965 to take a bus 'all by myself' into the big city - but I did. So many people 'dis' the picture these days. But seeing it in it's original format was a completely unique experience. The critics made such a big deal about the parade of superstars in supporting roles. (Today that would have little effect because those stars are no longer well known). But in Cinerama, and in it's uncut version, 'GSET' had a profound effect upon my 14 year old self. If it were released today - and available for viewing in it's pristine form (and format), I'd compare it to Terence Malick or Paolo Sorrentino. Slow moving - but a feast for the eyes. As for the 'Lazarus' scene. When viewed in Cinerama, that particular section was mind-blowing. When Von Sydow shouts 'Lazarus, come forth!!!' - his cry echoes around the theatre. It was deeply moving. As for the music, I'm definitely in the camp which prefers Newman's OWN 'alleluia' chorus. It's a great shame it was never permanently attached to the prints and various cuts. Thanks to the poster of this thread. You brought back a powerful memory.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I recall a NY Times record reviewer commenting (not disrespectfully) on the Barber influence. The generally positive attention to a soundtrack album was unusual at the time. But Newman's melodic lines and woodwind scoring are distinctly his own. Of course the movie reviewers had previously jumped all over the Handel lift.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

By the time the film reached NYC, Newmans own resurrection and Hallelujah music had been restored, only for Act One.

It was entirely Handel when I saw it, just a couple of weeks into the NYC run. I realize that things kept changing after that.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2019 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

When will some genius sync Newman's music to the video and post it for all to see and hear? I find a version on YouTube now in which the Newman morphs midstream into the Handel. That's the worst possible solution in my opinion -- truly a Monty Python musical moment.

 
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