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Sorry, but I think dlauzon79 misses some facts here. As he writes, he does *NOT* own the original LP release. What I can find under "Bakshi's Animated Lord of the Rings Theme" on YouTube is *NOT* the version which was on the original LP back in 1978 as Track 1. The original LP had a 1:1-reprise of the End Credits music as "starter track". Something dlauzon79 now feels cheated on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjsWr9FT824
The tracklisting of the new LP is identical to the old LP. It makes no sense to cut out all the new music from the Intrada master to match the old LP release again. Can someone who has the original LP and the 1991 CD version by Intrada and this new set bring on more facts which master was used? It can be certainly detected by listening to the blaster beam in "Helm's Deep" which is *way* more prominent in Intrada's great mix.
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Dec 28, 2015 - 9:07 AM
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dlauzon79
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TerraEpon: you are right, I've edited the review.
Merry: The video you posted is indeed the music which plays during the ending credits. At least on my VHS copy.
The equivalent track on the CD releases ("Voyage to Mordor; Theme from the Lord of the Rings") uses a different cue, probably (my hypothesis) from an earlier edit of the movie, where the last scene was Frodo and Sam going to Mordor with Gollum, and not the victory at Helm's Deep. This would have been Rosenman's first take on the ending credits music. Probably he preferred it to the second version (the one in the film) and chose not to include that one on the CD.
The tracklists of the 1978 version and this new LP edition are identical in titles, but not in durations. Look it up on Discogs.
http://www.discogs.com/Leonard-Rosenman-The-Lord-Of-The-Rings/master/167763
The first track on the 1978 release is "Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 2:53. The last track of this same release is "The Voyage To Mordor; Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 4:45.
On the 2015 release, it is "Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 4:43; and "The Voyage To Mordor; Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 4:43. So even though I do not own the original LP, my suspicion is that the first track was different. Do you own the original LP? John-73, can you help us?
To be perfectly clear, this 2015 release starts with the quiet incidental music of Frodo and Sam heading into Mordor with Gollum, which then segues into a different version of the LotR theme (not the one that plays during the end credits) = the last track on the CD releases. This version of the theme is not heard in the movie.
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TerraEpon: you are right, I've edited the review.
Merry: The video you posted is indeed the music which plays during the ending credits. At least on my VHS copy.
The equivalent track on the CD releases ("Voyage to Mordor; Theme from the Lord of the Rings") uses a different cue, probably (my hypothesis) from an earlier edit of the movie, where the last scene was Frodo and Sam going to Mordor with Gollum, and not the victory at Helm's Deep. This would have been Rosenman's first take on the ending credits music. Probably he preferred it to the second version (the one in the film) and chose not to include that one on the CD.
The tracklists of the CD and this new LP edition are identical in titles, but not in durations. Look it up on Discogs.
http://www.discogs.com/Leonard-Rosenman-The-Lord-Of-The-Rings/master/167763
The first track on the 1978 release is "Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 2:53. The last track of this same release is "The Voyage To Mordor; Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 5:11.
On the 2015 release, it is "Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 4:43; and "The Voyage To Mordor; Theme From The Lord Of The Rings", 4:43. So even though I do not own the original LP, my suspicion is that the first track was different. Do you own the original LP? John-73, can you help us?
To be perfectly clear, this 2015 release starts with the quiet incidental music of Frodo and Sam heading into Mordor with Gollum, which then segues into a different version of the LotR theme (not the one that plays during the end credits) = the last track on the CD releases. This version of the theme is not heard in the movie.
I'm not sure where they got that 5:11 runtime for the last track as my copy of the original Fantasy LP has it as running 4:45, which is close to what it is on the CD and this new LP set (mind you, I do not have this new LP set as I did not find it necessary). As for Rosenman not wanting the film version of the end titles on the LP, it is also possible that the film version was recorded after the album was assembled. On that note, I should also point out that there is a decent amount of music on the album that ended up being dialed out in the film.
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Merry: The video you posted is indeed the music which plays during the ending credits. At least on my VHS copy.
But it is *not* the version from the original LP. The original LP had the same music from the last track as opener. Beginning very quietly.
The tracklists of the CD and this new LP edition are identical in titles, but not in durations.
The Intrada CD had a different sequence, additional tracks, totally remixed. It was clearly not the same.
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Is that so? Then why the 2:53 duration, compared to the 5-minute-ish duration for the last track? (Discogs)
Because the End Title music starts at 1:50 in the last track, which runs 4:43. A bit of math: 4:43 - 1:50 = 2:53, which is the runtime of the first track of the LP - which I've posted above.
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To understand all this completely (and your confusion, too): on this new hyper-dyper-180g-LP-set the first track is identical to the last track? So the 1:50 "Voyage to Mordor"-part was not edited out for the "reprise" as the first track of the album? This means the new LP starts like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tq7e7Pg3UY
and not like this (as the 1978 version did)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0DvOMdQFBE
This would be a great boo-boo to the producers.
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Although I have zero interest in the new lp boxset of this score (I have the original 2 lp set and the expanded CD version) -- it did bring up memories of seeing the film at the Ziegfeld Theatre on opening day in NYC -- and my huge expectations for the music. I am not sure if the lp set was released before the film opened -- but I do know that my reactions to both the film and to the music were all over the place. I hated the sing-song-y march theme -- but loved the darker music for the Ringwraiths and for the battle sequences. I thought some of the vocal music was lovely. The entire experience of the film ended up being a huge and frustrating disappointment -- eventually learning that Bakshi, the screenwriters, and Rosenman would never have the opportunity to collaborate to complete their vision for the adaptation. This thread has prompted me to give the score a long overdue spin -- it has been years since I heard anything from the film. So, thanks for this discussion!
(P.S. Didn't the original lp set come with a postcard that could be mailed in to get a free LOTR poster? I must have that poster somewhere in storage. I have no memory of how it looked, however.)
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John, I think that postcard was for membership in the LOTR fan club, which included a poster, a "Frodo Lives" button or something, maybe some pictures. I know this because I sent off for it just about as soon as I got the record.
I too love this thread for the reminders of the film and soundtrack, and it's been fun to hear the single of the main march again, as I haven't heard it that way for nearly 25 years since I got the Intrada expansion. I never had trouble with the march, though I understand why others would - it was obviously a case of "hey, we need a Star Wars kind of march here, Leonard, do your stuff!" And I'm actually quite fond of the movie, though it was certainly startling in the theater to see it just stop in the middle of things (I was timing it and couldn't figure out how they were going to get everything in).
I do recall hearing the theme for the first time on the radio - still at the point where you could hear instrumental themes from movies on the mainstream stations in the USA - though I think this was about the last time I heard a movie theme that way.
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Fans of Bakshi's THE LORD OF THE RINGS might be interested in this:
https://archive.org/details/warren-lord-of-rings
I got that! I keep it the clear plastic cover of the gatefold sleeve of the LP set I bought back in the day. I also bought the photonovel.
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OTOH- My Intrada CD appears to be worth a fortune!
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I have that magazine too! Love it.
(I gave up my vinyl 30+ years ago, LOTR is one of the sets I miss - to look at not to play.)
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