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Mar 15, 2025 - 9:53 PM
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trevan323
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With today's technology, are any scores really "lost!" As long as the movies exist, the scores are there to digitally remove. The question becomes do we want to hear three seconds of this score, or three seconds of that score. To completists the answer is Yes! For me, I'm not so certain. With the economy tanking it's going to be harder for some people to buy every last thing. For example, one of my favorite John Williams' scores is for Brian DePalma's 1978 The Fury. I was certain I had the DVD because I was too young to have seen the movie in theaters. Perhaps I rented from Blockbuster later, I don't remember. I didn't realize that Twilight Time had issued a DVD that is now OOP and is selling for around $100 on Ebay! Holy Moly! Luckily, I found one in Korea that was reasonably priced. I could have bought it on Amazon Prime to watch, but it would have cost me the same. Frank Langella's Dracula is easier to find, but another John Williams score. I think someone on this board, or somewhere else, said that if you want to be inspired, hire Williams, but if you want scary, go Goldsmith. The Fury and Dracula are both examples of Williams being both scary and inspired.
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With today's technology, are any scores really "lost!"
Absolutely! But specifically for this thread, I'm talking about scores which are lost in terms of not having an available clean music-only source surviving.
As long as the movies exist, the scores are there to digitally remove.
You mean... using AI tools? While that can work okay in some cases, there are plenty of cases when it doesn't work well at all (i.e. removing some instruments along with voice). And even if it gets "perfected" in the future, with no degradation in sound of the music (we are a ways off from that yet), it can't fix musical sound being bad in the first place, low in the mix, or just fully dialed out of the film sometimes! Listen to this cue from the Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated music and effects track from Goldsmith's The Chairman, and tell me how AI is going to fix it and make it listenable:
https://soundcloud.com/user-906859019-113845892/the-bottle
The question becomes do we want to hear three seconds of this score, or three seconds of that score. To completists the answer is Yes! For me, I'm not so certain.
Seems like a different subject than that of this thread. But for the record, none of the Goldsmith scores I'm listing as "lost" in complete form here have anywhere near that few minutes of music missing from their existing albums. Shock Treatment may only have one cue missing (maybe two? not sure) but it's a key cue and multiple minutes long.
Also I love those Williams scores too, but I think there are plenty of examples of Jerry Goldsmith being both scary and inspired.
Yavar
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