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 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

--Every time I use my debit or credit card, data is collected about the what, where and when of the transaction.

--Ditto when I scan my transit fare card.

--Every time I put something on Fartbook.







This is how places like Google, a company that hands out plenty for free (email, storage, searches, etc.) but rarely collects money from the users, works. We hand them the data, they sell it.

Can you believe how much they are worth??



Something to think about.

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Silence of the sheep.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Drawgoon   (Member)

You know, those are nothing compared to what they can/will gather from the home automation tech once they formally "join the club" and become everyday things.

 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2015 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Yes, can't wait for the internet connected refrigerators with cameras and sensors designed to tell corporations (and hackers) what you have in it. Not a safe place for those body parts anymore wink

Slightly OT but I'm willing to bet the majority of the populations private information has been stolen by hackers. It's just a numbers game when you will be a victim of identity theft. Among billions, when will your number come up?

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

I recently got paid for a research study. They paid me with a Visa Debit Card. I'm annoyed that now, Visa can track what I buy. They've already got demographic info about me (name, etc.), now they'll have this, too.


The science-fiction-y part of my mind is imagining a day, maybe not far, when our paychecks are issued as debit cards, so all of our spending can be tracked.

And all of us just going along with it....

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Of course, privacy is only a recent invention in human history. Perhaps it will turn out to have been an aberration, a temporary artifact of the condition of urban anonymity?

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Of course, privacy is only a recent invention in human history. Perhaps it will turn out to have been an aberration, a temporary artifact of the condition of urban anonymity?

Well we now know if it was easy and convenient for the government to open every letter ever sent via the USPO, photocopy it, then reseal and sent it on its way, they would have been doing that all along.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2015 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I just learned about Apples Spotlight privacy issues. We all know websites and companies generally collect (at the very least) anonymous information based on your IP address.

However I just learned Apples Spotlight not only collects information on your searches, but collects that data and assigns it to the computers owner. Thus your searches are no longer anonymous. Your searches are tracked, collected and assigned to your name.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2015 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)



However I just learned Apples Spotlight not only collects information on your searches, but collects that data and assigns it to the computers owner.


How do they know the name of the computer owner?

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2015 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)



However I just learned Apples Spotlight not only collects information on your searches, but collects that data and assigns it to the computers owner.


How do they know the name of the computer owner?


When you set up your Mac for the first time in the registration process. I guess you can skip that but then you don't get the three month warranty.

Everything about Apple is a self contained ecosystem. If you use Spotlight, a built in function it assigns your searches to the computer owner.

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2015 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Algorithms are in place to determine a WHOLE lot about us, by what we post and buy online: sexual orientation, pregnancy, etc. (And they are better at it than I ever imagined.) In some places, this knowledge might get people jailed, or worse.

One person who works on these algorithms is starting to think about what these things can do, much the way some scientists in The Manhattan Project began to doubt their involvement.

Short video, 10 mins: http://www.ted.com/talks/jennifer_golbeck_the_curly_fry_conundrum_why_social_media_likes_say_more_than_you_might_think


Check out the business startup she says she could start legally, right now. It's shocking!

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2015 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 1, 2015 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

I recently got paid for a research study. They paid me with a Visa Debit Card. I'm annoyed that now, Visa can track what I buy. They've already got demographic info about me (name, etc.), now they'll have this, too.


The science-fiction-y part of my mind is imagining a day, maybe not far, when our paychecks are issued as debit cards, so all of our spending can be tracked.


We're halfway there, folks. I just got my first unemployment payment, and it's on a Visa-branded debit card.

What'll I bet most people aren't going to bother transferring the money to their personal accounts, but will just go out and spend directly off the card.....

Brother.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2015 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Possibly of interest: https://medium.com/the-ferenstein-wire/the-birth-and-death-of-privacy-3-000-years-of-history-in-50-images-614c26059e

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2015 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I recently got paid for a research study. They paid me with a Visa Debit Card. I'm annoyed that now, Visa can track what I buy. They've already got demographic info about me (name, etc.), now they'll have this, too.


The science-fiction-y part of my mind is imagining a day, maybe not far, when our paychecks are issued as debit cards, so all of our spending can be tracked.


We're halfway there, folks. I just got my first unemployment payment, and it's on a Visa-branded debit card.

What'll I bet most people aren't going to bother transferring the money to their personal accounts, but will just go out and spend directly off the card.....

Brother.


Food stamps comes as a debit card too. I guess they want to see if poor folks are buying spam and ramen noodles, or expensive cuts of beef and shrimp.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2016 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Yes, can't wait for the internet connected refrigerators with cameras and sensors designed to tell corporations (and hackers) what you have in it.

From Arthur C. Clarke's "July 20, 2019: Life in the 21st Century" (published 1986), in the section about computer-controlled housing:

"Initially, many prospective buyers feared they would be easy targets for surveillance by banks, the IRS, even A.C. Nielsen; that their lives would be laid bare.

Senshaus [the manufacturer] spent a quarter of its advertising budget to convince buyers that they were not mortgaging themselves into an Orwellian nightmare.

The company, however, suffered a major marketing setback when Queen Diana's persona maid sold the voice and digital records of King Charles' Cornwall house to the New York Post."

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2016 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

http://www.foodandwine.com/fwx/food/smart-grocery-shelves-can-tell-how-you-feel-about-food

"a [newly-developed] freezer case stocked with Bagel Bites and Smart Ones frozen meals not only tracked how much traffic walked by, but also how many times the freezer door was opened, shoppers’ gender and even what expression people had while staring down the boxes of Bites."



http://consumerist.com/2016/01/19/this-freezer-case-knows-when-youre-frowning-at-the-bagel-bites/

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2016 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

This stuff is infuriating. I don't agree with Facebooks policy, but you at least I have a choice. Don't want to trade privacy for free service, don't use it. (Of course Apple is probably selling my privacy to Facebook anyway)

But in a grocery store I'm paying them for a product. End of deal. I shouldn't be recorded, and stored in a data base simply for the need to eat.

What about recording children without parents approval? Can I walk around the store with a Halloween mask on? Can I "moon" the bastards camera and not get arrested?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2016 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

I usually do my grocery shopping at around 6 to 7 AM. My face is never its cheeriest at that time.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2016 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I left Facebook recently. It had long become an annoyance.

Old schoolfriends either urging me to vote BNP or join the Socialist Party. Human whales sharing photos of their high sugar, high fat McDonalds meals. Dumbwitted phone text writing in every post. Relatives whom I've spent most of my life avoiding in my face every day. Their children. Their children's children.

Obliterating that account is the best thing I've done so far this year. Just like getting rid of my mobile phone, years ago.

Now it's just me, the wife and five cats.

 
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