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 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'm a Goldsmith die die die hard, and certain ones aren't as captivating for me either, including a couple you named. But how can this be, Jerry was a god among men!??!

I know you're being facetious (at least somewhat), but I actually think that, for some, allowing that a favorite artist (of any stripe) didn't always bat 1000 is very difficult. Obviously, there are some here who seem to love all Goldsmith without exception (I believe Mr. Eastman is one), and I take them at their word.

But for me, acknowledging that Goldsmith, too, composed the occasional dud does not make even a tiny dent in his greatness. He was simply human. Hitchcock and Chaplin (to name two) were both responsible for some awful movies, but their places in the pantheon of great filmmakers is secure. I'd say that Coppola has made more clunkers than greats, but the great ones still make him one of the best of all time.

And the thing is, artists don't believe all of their own work is equally great. They don't put down their pens or cameras or batons or whatever they use and announce "Nailed another one!" They try every time, but some just don't come together the way they'd hoped.

But again, if you love "Chain Reaction," enjoy! (You've been waiting for my permission, right?) I listened to it again today, and it will be some time before I do so again. It's not for me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2015 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I'm a Goldsmith die die die hard, and certain ones aren't as captivating for me either, including a couple you named. But how can this be, Jerry was a god among men!??!

I know you're being facetious (at least somewhat), but I actually think that, for some, allowing that a favorite artist (of any stripe) didn't always bat 1000 is very difficult. Obviously, there are some here who seem to love all Goldsmith without exception (I believe Mr. Eastman is one), and I take them at their word.

But for me, acknowledging that Goldsmith, too, composed the occasional dud does not make even a tiny dent in his greatness. He was simply human. Hitchcock and Chaplin (to name two) were both responsible for some awful movies, but their places in the pantheon of great filmmakers is secure. I'd say that Coppola has made more clunkers than greats, but the great ones still make him one of the best of all time.

And the thing is, artists don't believe all of their own work is equally great. They don't put down their pens or cameras or batons or whatever they use and announce "Nailed another one!" They try every time, but some just don't come together the way they'd hoped.

But again, if you love "Chain Reaction," enjoy! (You've been waiting for my permission, right?) I listened to it again today, and it will be some time before I do so again. It's not for me.


I agree, I think it is quite often that we fans might value a score far more than the actual composer. It becomes precious to us due to the fact that we follow that composer, that we really connect with their works, but the composer himself is often the first to throw his own work under the bus. I'm sure Goldsmith wasn't precious about CHAIN REACTION in the slightest, but he provided the movie what it needed and brought his usual polish and class to the project, which at that point was considered "auto-pilot" by some fans. There are many highlights from Goldsmith's 90's output, but I'm fully aware that CHAIN REACTION wouldn't even crack the top 20. Regardless, I always get a kick out of the action cues he wrote for the movie.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2015 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

But since I stopped air conducting favorite cues years ago

That's the saddest thing I've read all day, Sean!

Yavar



I've never thought about this before, seeing as it's not something I do.

If you're a big fan of air conducting, does it make it harder to listen to more subdued cues/scores that aren't prone to triggering the urge to air conduct? Is that why some of the expanded scores with the inclusion of more "boring" underscore become a chore to get through, and why the big thematic material is more desirable?

And even if you're not physically air conducting, are you still visualising going through those motions in your head?

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2015 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

For myself, air conducting was just a lark that came from playing in and once or twice conducting student orchestras in my salad days. I did focus more on upbeat or busy cues when I air conducted. In part because it's more fun to move your arms around more when you are conducting a recording. Whereas it is even more of a challenge in some ways to conduct a live orchestra in a slow quiet piece. For me, anyway.

So no, it never defined my listening to music. But when I did it I was choosier about the cues I would go to than when I just listened through an album.

By the way, for me it's not so much the quieter cues in chain reaction that I am finding tiring. It's probably just the general repetition of the various motives and electronic pallet throughout the whole album. For this one I think I like a tighter presentation.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2015 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Goldsmith himself dismissed the opening of Alien, one of the most incredible cues ever written as far as I'm concerned, as "just a bunch of effects." And he also said in a lecture that composers often weren't the best judges of their own work. That's good enough for me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2015 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Goldsmith himself dismissed the opening of Alien, one of the most incredible cues ever written as far as I'm concerned, as "just a bunch of effects." And he also said in a lecture that composers often weren't the best judges of their own work. That's good enough for me.


Well, I'm really enjoying it. Thanks again for helping with it's release.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2015 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   indyray   (Member)

My cd arrived today,great.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2015 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   indyray   (Member)

Now i can assemble my own shorter album version from this complete score with my favorite tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2015 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Kuato was right - this expansion is worthy. Plays very well at 75+mins....I keep going back to it in fact.

If I dig one I was always "just OK" with, I CANNOT wait
for U.S. Marshals turn, since I love that short, aggressive album to pieces.

To each their own,
Sean

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2015 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

If I dig one I was always "just OK" with, I CANNOT wait
for U.S. Marshals turn, since I love that short, aggressive album to pieces.


Oh yeah -- U.S. Marshals seriously needs to gain some weight!!! So much great stuff, especially the huge chase before Marshal Newman gets killed by Robert Downey Jr. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some neat alternate cues on that one too. Totally a guess, but maybe there are...or I'm just willing it to happen. Hope this one comes out in 2016, I would definitely love to see if before scores like Executive Decision or Hollow Man or such.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2015 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

The full cemetery shootout....da-rooool.
That will be a party, if & when it happens, this expansion.

-Sean

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2015 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2015 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The full cemetery shootout....da-rooool.
That will be a party, if & when it happens, this expansion.

-Sean


Totally. It'll happen. In the meantime I'll be playing the hell out of Chain Reaction and Total Recall.

Theres one section in "The Museum" (begins about 2:28) where everything gets real quiet and then the percussion starts to build and then explodes into those "Recall-esque" blasting trumpets. I always have to turn that part up to eleven.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2015 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

The full cemetery shootout....da-rooool.
That will be a party, if & when it happens, this expansion.

-Sean


Totally. It'll happen. In the meantime I'll be playing the hell out of Chain Reaction and Total Recall.

Theres one section in "The Museum" (begins about 2:28) where everything gets real quiet and then the percussion starts to build and then explodes into those "Recall-esque" blasting trumpets. I always have to turn that part up to eleven.


Surely you caught the Carpenter - circa Halloween 3 synth in track 6, Questions, yes?

-Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I picked this up at last on the Varese sale. I wrote them back because it arrived with a few pages of the booklet torn a bit.
I asked for a new booklet but they told me it is sold out. I was surprised. In any case, I have to give them some praise, they replied to me immediately, and offered me a $ 2refund or a $5 credit for future purchase.

 
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