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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12      General Discussion: BRAVEHEART by James Horner - NEW 2CD from LaLaLand    FIRST   PRIOR   10 11 12       Last Post   Posted:   Sep 27, 2024 - 2:51 PM     By:   Sean Nethery   (Member) OMG. Prokofiev, Britten, stylized folk tunes AND Hisaishi - and there is no way that the tune wasn't lifted wholesale. NOT Hisaishi - Kaoru Wada. Yes similar, but the point of both melodies is to be very simple, clear, and poignant. And these are classic ways to achieve that in this kind of music. I'm with Yavar on this particular one, though I think it's more a question of idiom than a particular piece.    Posted:   Sep 27, 2024 - 3:17 PM     By:   Advise & Consent   (Member) OMG. Prokofiev, Britten, stylized folk tunes AND Hisaishi - and there is no way that the tune wasn't lifted wholesale. NOT Hisaishi - Kaoru Wada. Yes similar, but the point of both melodies is to be very simple, clear, and poignant. And these are classic ways to achieve that in this kind of music. I'm with Yavar on this particular one, though I think it's more a question of idiom than a particular piece. I stand corrected. Thanks. However, there is no way, no way whatsoever, that the melody wasn't lifted wholesale. They are identical for all intents.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 12:17 AM     By:   BrenKel   (Member) It’s a powerful, gorgeous, sweeping, epic score. Totally agree. An amazing score. Should have won the Oscar.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 12:34 AM     By:   La La Land Records   (Member) I just want to know if it is ever going to come back into stock... No it's gone for good    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 4:42 AM     By:   ghost of 82   (Member) Magnificent score. Horner had this knack of getting under one's skin emotionally and enable the music to intensify how well a film works. This, Glory, Field of Dreams, Legends of the Fall....just incredible talent, a remarkable gift.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 4:46 AM     By:   ghost of 82   (Member) I just want to know if it is ever going to come back into stock... No it's gone for good Just had a curious thought. With the continued push from physical media to... well, streaming, whatever. When we're told it's 'gone for good' we are surely near the point in time in which it's absolutely true, there's simply no likelihood of any cd reissue by any label for some titles. Sobering thought.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 5:06 AM     By:   Grimsdyke   (Member) Shouldn't Decca, the original label, also be able to release the 2 CD-set ?    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 6:36 AM     By:   jedizim   (Member) I just want to know if it is ever going to come back into stock... No it's gone for good Damn...I was holding out hope because it still says "temporarily out of stock" on the website. I am kicking myself because I thought I had bought it...but cannot find it if I did.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 7:31 AM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) Iconic score. Lives beyond the film now. That's why Horner was an iconic composer.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 7:57 AM     By:   Thomas   (Member) Actually Braveheart’s quotes aren’t as Celtic as you’d expect. Most of the Celtic influences are original except for a brief bit of “Black is the Color of My True Love’s Hair” that serves as a coda to the main identity (fitting, if you think about it). That's interesting. I've picked up on that similarity before but I thought it was likely a coincidence, but as you say it may well have been intentional. Here's a nice version of the song by Cara Dillon, for those that maybe don't know it...    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 8:06 AM     By:   Andy_   (Member) I just want to know if it is ever going to come back into stock... No it's gone for good Oh rats. I too was hoping for more. Maybe you could turn up more stock as with Schindler’s List?    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 8:31 AM     By:   BasilDowl   (Member) Actually Braveheart’s quotes aren’t as Celtic as you’d expect. Most of the Celtic influences are original except for a brief bit of “Black is the Color of My True Love’s Hair” that serves as a coda to the main identity (fitting, if you think about it). That's interesting. I've picked up on that similarity before but I thought it was likely a coincidence, but as you say it may well have been intentional. Here's a nice version of the song by Cara Dillon, for those that maybe don't know it... Really not hearing it... is that supposed to be Horner's main melody? I think you're reaching there tbf    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 8:34 AM     By:   BasilDowl   (Member) I just want to know if it is ever going to come back into stock... No it's gone for good Oh rats. I too was hoping for more. Maybe you could turn up more stock as with Schindler’s List? A score as popular as this one, I'm certain it'll come out again at some point in some form. It's currently around £90 on eBay. Keep your eyes peeled, I've seen them for £50-60, which when you add the insane postage/import costs isn't wildly off what a new copy from LLL would cost you.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 8:36 AM     By:   BasilDowl   (Member) Magnificent score. Horner had this knack of getting under one's skin emotionally and enable the music to intensify how well a film works. This, Glory, Field of Dreams, Legends of the Fall....just incredible talent, a remarkable gift. Fully agree. He was incredibly gifted at the emotion of a score. Braveheart in particular benefited enormously from this, it's a gorgeous thing.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 4:22 PM     By:   Thomas   (Member) Really not hearing it... is that supposed to be Horner's main melody? I think you're reaching there tbf No, not "reaching". The coda to the main titles, can't you read the post I was responding to?    Posted:   Sep 28, 2024 - 6:17 PM     By:   BasilDowl   (Member) Really not hearing it... is that supposed to be Horner's main melody? I think you're reaching there tbf No, not "reaching". The coda to the main titles, can't you read the post I was responding to? Thanks for the blunt reply, Tom. Yes, I can read C8's original comment, and I think anyone hearing any resemblance to the folk song within Horner's writing is 'reaching' somewhat. In structure and melody, it bears little similarity. It might have formed a reference point, as he often used old material in that way, Gibson even refers to this in the liner notes, but even he says "little refrain...very reminscent". Horner rightfully gets a bad rep for his liberal 'referencing' but I do think this one is pushing it. Happy to be proven wrong though if you can find a version of the folk melody that isn't performed by a strangled cat.    Posted:   Sep 30, 2024 - 7:43 AM     By:   jedizim   (Member) Just picked one up on ebay for a decent price, so now it can be re-released, or some will be found, or I will find the copy I thought I had purchased. One of those things will happen for sure.    Posted:   Oct 1, 2024 - 7:46 AM     By:   c8   (Member) Really not hearing it... is that supposed to be Horner's main melody? I think you're reaching there tbf No offense to the poster, but I found the Cara Dillon version to be an assault on my ears (Nina Simone all the way for me). Not my thing. I also find many artists sort of sing in a way that obfuscates the Braveheart lift, so I'm not surprised people aren't hearing it. Mind you, I am a Horner fanatic so I'm only trying to be factual here. Here's a piano rendition that makes obvious the Braveheart use for those not hearing it. You'll hear it at 0:25. Remember, its not the main theme but the coda to the theme.    Posted:   Oct 1, 2024 - 9:35 AM     By:   BasilDowl   (Member) Really not hearing it... is that supposed to be Horner's main melody? I think you're reaching there tbf No offense to the poster, but I found the Cara Dillon version to be an assault on my ears (Nina Simone all the way for me). Not my thing. I also find many artists sort of sing in a way that obfuscates the Braveheart lift, so I'm not surprised people aren't hearing it. Mind you, I am a Horner fanatic so I'm only trying to be factual here. Here's a piano rendition that makes obvious the Braveheart use for those not hearing it. You'll hear it at 0:25. Remember, its not the main theme but the coda to the theme. I can hear the similarity now a comparable source has been posted - and yes, I would now agree that that single small phrase was likely adapted into the coda of the 'Gift of a Thistle/Murron' theme - cheers for that. We're talking at best 6 notes here, though, and on a different instrument... !     General Discussion: BRAVEHEART by James Horner - NEW 2CD from LaLaLand    << < 10 11 12  >   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

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