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 Posted:   Mar 15, 2018 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Reading the OP as an implied insult to Williams' later work is pointless. Let's not get diverted from the fact that "My Friend Mr. Nobody" is a truly wonderful score.

I listen to it straight through and there isn't a moment I would do without.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2018 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Yes, Onya, he topped it with "The Crash" from Land of the Giants.

Afterwards, Williams topped everything he has ever composed with Altman's 1972 Images


Two years later, I am finally listening to "The Crash" and totally digging it.

It is like a slightly hallucinogenic Lost in Space score.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2018 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

"My Friend Mr. Nobody" is a brilliant tone poem. Williams tapped into the wonder and soul of the story but yes, he has topped it... many times.

Interestingly, I find a nice tonal connection to this score and Goldsmith's cue "The Monument" from Logan's Run.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2018 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

That's some good stuff. It's obviously very Williams. It's amazing how much his work has changed yet stayed quintessentially him.

I'm curious how Star Wars / Superman / Close Encounters are "Reaganite". Surely they are "Carteresque". (Would Jaws be "Fordian" or "Nixonian"?)

And they all sound a heck of lot like Lost in Space to one degree or another.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2018 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


I'm curious how Star Wars / Superman / Close Encounters are "Reaganite". Surely they are "Carteresque". (Would Jaws be "Fordian" or "Nixonian"?)


Reaganite Cinema extends to both before and after Reagan's presidency. Spielberg's films are often considered to be prime examples of Reaganite Cinema, although others have argued against this characterization.

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2018 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


Reaganite Cinema extends to both before and after Reagan's presidency. Spielberg's films are often considered to be prime examples of Reaganite Cinema, although others have argued against this characterization.


Indeed.

"It is widely believed among film historians that the decade of the 1970s was the last great hurrah of American film. Much has been written and spoken about why this is so, and yet, in truth, it is the only the first half of the '70s that is meaningful--roughly the period between 1969-1976. Afterward the tide inevitably turned toward younger subjects for younger audiences, and the innovative, adult-themed--some would say nihilistically inclined--pictures went the way of the Dodo bird."

~Nick Redman, in the liner notes to The Yakuza

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2018 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm curious how Star Wars / Superman / Close Encounters are "Reaganite". Surely they are "Carteresque". (Would Jaws be "Fordian" or "Nixonian"?)

As far as trends go, no decade is a self-contained entity (though there is overlap), which explains why the late 1970s is markedly different than 1970-75. I would argue that Nixon, Ford, and Carter-era films reflect the post-Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam, Counterculture, and Watergate "hangover" and later "malaise", whereas Reaganite cinema reflects the escapist, nationalistic, and largely optimistic atmosphere of the 1980s.

For a good, retrospective example of this tipping point, watch NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. It essentially chronicles the death of the 1965-75 era (give or take).

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2018 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

If Williams' SUPERMAN was Carteresque, were Ken Thorne's II and III more Reaganite? Discuss.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2018 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

If Williams' SUPERMAN was Carteresque, were Ken Thorne's II and III more Reaganite? Discuss.

It's all Reaganite.

Or, I could use Mr. Phelps' preferred term, "neo-conservative kitsch." wink

The Tim Burton Batman film from 1989 or whenever represents a departure.

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2018 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

It begs the question, which is more dangerous: Reaganite or Kryptonite?

Have to admit, I'm getting nostalgic for Reaganite.

I'm here all week, folks.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2018 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It begs the question, which is more dangerous: Reaganite or Kryptonite?

To Superman, Kryptonite is more dangerous. To communists, Reaganite. big grin

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2018 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • It begs the question, which is more dangerous: Reaganite or Kryptonite?

    Have to admit, I'm getting nostalgic for Reaganite.

    I'm here all week, folks.



    You don't know nostalgia until you've had some Zorgonite. All hail Zorg the Zorgian.

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     Posted:   Mar 21, 2018 - 6:16 PM   
     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

    Totally digging John Williams' score for the Time Tunnel on the GNP Crescendo disc. Very cool stuff!

     
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