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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

After Intrada release of "Golden Voyage of Sinbad" from newly discovered stereo masters from Rome session I start thinking about another long time missing Rozsa music...

And Im hope that another mirracle happend and wonderful Rozsa suites recorded by composer with Royal Philharmonics in 70 for Polydor, available only on LP, will be finally remastered and released on CD.

They are wonderful performances, incredible powerfull - for example fantastic suite from "Knights of the Round Table" and passionate emmotional "Finale" from "Diane".

It will be so great to finally have this wonderfull recordings on CD...

I will buy them with a heartbeat !

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 3:50 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

There's been quite a few posts about these recordings down the years, UMG own them now. Intrada would be a good fit, & I'm sure they'd love to release them, maybe there's a problem or two. It's a case of wait & hope.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

It depends whether the stereo tapes can be found for a start.

Judging by a few re-performances that the RPO did in recent years here and there of certain suites on compilation albums (never discussed here), somebody in the RPO archive has the SCORESHEETS Chris Palmer used.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It depends whether the stereo tapes can be found for a start.

Given how many good CDs are mastered from LPs these days, I've never been clear on why missing tapes was the deal breaker here.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

It depends whether the stereo tapes can be found for a start.

Given how many good CDs are mastered from LPs these days, I've never been clear on why missing tapes was the deal breaker here.


It's a fine worst-case scenario, but keep in mind LP mastering tends to compress the sound in order to cater to the physical limitations of the vinyl medium. You get much more dynamic range with CD, so working from master tapes is always preferable.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yeah, I wouldn't fancy rips from LP's.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

These suites are probably now no. 1 on my most wanted list of filmmusic CDs. I have all 3 lps -- and that is one reason why I keep my old Thorens turntable in working condition. But even with the care I've given to the vinyl editions, I find ticks and pops here and there where none were before. These lps are true treasures -- among the best recordings of any soundtrack music ever. It is a major tragedy that they haven't been released to CD.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's a fine worst-case scenario, but keep in mind LP mastering tends to compress the sound in order to cater to the physical limitations of the vinyl medium. You get much more dynamic range with CD, so working from master tapes is always preferable.

Oh sure. I just thought that maybe we were at "worst-case scenario" now, since the last I've heard, the tapes hadn't turned up. Of course, I only know that from internet rumor. But internet rumors are always right, right?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   greylocke5   (Member)

I also have the three LPs and can vouch for everything that's been said.

I have asked this question before, and the answer was always that the tapes were lost. I found that pretty difficult to accept - I mean, Polygram recordings lost? I could accept that they might be in bad shape due to sloppy storage, but not altogether lost.

(As to LP rips - some bootlegger did that back in the 1990s - they made two CDs from the three albums. I remember reading on a blog somewhere that the sound was pretty much what you would expect, i.e., limited range, classic b**tleg rip-off sound.)

Perhaps there is some arcane rights issue. Anyway - their release would definitely be the film music reissue of the year - maybe of the decade.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

These lps are true treasures -- among the best recordings of any soundtrack music ever. It is a major tragedy that they haven't been released to CD.

Agreed. It would be monumental if Intrada (the guys who pull off the most miracles) can make this happen from original masters in optimal condition.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

It's a fine worst-case scenario, but keep in mind LP mastering tends to compress the sound in order to cater to the physical limitations of the vinyl medium. You get much more dynamic range with CD, so working from master tapes is always preferable.

Oh sure. I just thought that maybe we were at "worst-case scenario" now, since the last I've heard, the tapes hadn't turned up. Of course, I only know that from internet rumor. But internet rumors are always right, right?


Certainly. We have these on our plate with UMG and they haven't said anything about missing masters. Licensing challenges, but not master issues. We'll stay on it but we have some other bigger fish with them at the moment.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

These discs are absolutely fantastic and I really REALLY hope that when they are released (hopefully a 'when' anyway) it'll be a nice two CD set with all three LPs. Lasts about two hours ten minutes.

I've said all this before though.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I just thought that maybe we were at "worst-case scenario" now, since the last I've heard, the tapes hadn't turned up. Of course, I only know that from internet rumor. But internet rumors are always right, right?

Certainly. We have these on our plate with UMG and they haven't said anything about missing masters. Licensing challenges, but not master issues.


Oh! Thanks for the info.

But everything else on the internet is right, though. Right? I mean, Bill Gates is going to give me a million bucks for forwarding an email, right?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Many years ago there was a seemingly authorized single LP disc of some of the suites from this Polydor series which had apparently been reissued in England. Rozsa once sent me one with his autograph.

It was on a label like Memoir, as I recall.

If the original tapes are, indeed, "lost", is it possible that Polydor shipped all of the tapes to the producers of this reissue LP, and when those producers were finished, simply vaulted them with their other inventory and no one returned them to Polydor at that time.

This kind of thing has certainly happened more than once in our soundtrack business. It seems like an obvious thing to do, but has anyone in England actually ever checked the reissue company's vaults for these 3 "lost" titles?

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Many years ago there was a seemingly authorized single LP disc of some of the suites from this Polydor series which had apparently been reissued in England. Rozsa once sent me one with his autograph.

It was on a label like Memoir, as I recall.

If the original tapes are, indeed, "lost", is it possible that Polydor shipped all of the tapes to the producers of this reissue LP, and when those producers were finished, simply vaulted them with their other inventory and no one returned them to Polydor at that time.

This kind of thing has certainly happened more than once in our soundtrack business. It seems like an obvious thing to do, but has anyone in England actually ever checked the reissue company's vaults for these 3 "lost" titles?



Good point. That was 'The Immortal Film Music of Miklos Rozsa'.

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

We have these on our plate with UMG and they haven't said anything about missing masters. Licensing challenges, but not master issues. We'll stay on it but we have some other bigger fish with them at the moment.


Good news, perhaps, about the masters for these recordings. I hope the licensing issues are resolved soon since these are a grail for me, but "bigger fish" is a tantalizing comment! (Although one man's bigger fish may be another's minnow.)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Memoir, I believe, was the personal label of Gordon Gray, who had produced the original albums for Polydor. The reissue did not make much of a splash. Anyway, I'm glad to hear some encouraging news here.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2016 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

It's a fine worst-case scenario, but keep in mind LP mastering tends to compress the sound in order to cater to the physical limitations of the vinyl medium. You get much more dynamic range with CD, so working from master tapes is always preferable.

Oh sure. I just thought that maybe we were at "worst-case scenario" now, since the last I've heard, the tapes hadn't turned up. Of course, I only know that from internet rumor. But internet rumors are always right, right?


Certainly. We have these on our plate with UMG and they haven't said anything about missing masters. Licensing challenges, but not master issues. We'll stay on it but we have some other bigger fish with them at the moment.




Encouraging hints Roger, I hope it will work out. Intrada is THE label for any possible Rozsa / Polydor CDs. And ...... "bigger fish" ...... Yikes! smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2016 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

Many years ago there was a seemingly authorized single LP disc of some of the suites from this Polydor series which had apparently been reissued in England. Rozsa once sent me one with his autograph.

It was on a label like Memoir, as I recall.

If the original tapes are, indeed, "lost", is it possible that Polydor shipped all of the tapes to the producers of this reissue LP, and when those producers were finished, simply vaulted them with their other inventory and no one returned them to Polydor at that time.

This kind of thing has certainly happened more than once in our soundtrack business. It seems like an obvious thing to do, but has anyone in England actually ever checked the reissue company's vaults for these 3 "lost" titles?



DARN IT! ...... I knew there was something else I had to do, M.

I’ll get right on it !

I did copy my 3 LP’s on to disc and they’re “OK”, until the real thing comes along.

 
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