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 Posted:   Feb 3, 2019 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

Two questions: why a concerto over 40 minutes? I know he had “never heard a violin concerto” in his life..but there is little chance this concert will be embraced by orchestras because Concertos are meant to be 20-25 minutes to fit in the concerto slot of a program.
Concertos should never be long. They are by definition show pieces. Fun and pyrotechnics.

Question two: how many “orchestrators” were involved in this? It shouldn’t t matter, but if you are dipping your feet into the world of concert music, you need to ask yourself how many orchestrators did Shostakovich, Beethoven, Tchaikovksy, Mendelssohn, Stravinsky and all the other composers of the great Concertos use? The combined total is zero.


Wow, I was so excited but then I read this post. Utter disrespect for the hallowed conventions of the concert hall? Count me out. WTH Danny Elfman? So disappointed...

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Two questions: why a concerto over 40 minutes? I know he had “never heard a violin concerto” in his life..but there is little chance this concert will be embraced by orchestras because Concertos are meant to be 20-25 minutes to fit in the concerto slot of a program.
Concertos should never be long. They are by definition show pieces. Fun and pyrotechnics.

Question two: how many “orchestrators” were involved in this? It shouldn’t t matter, but if you are dipping your feet into the world of concert music, you need to ask yourself how many orchestrators did Shostakovich, Beethoven, Tchaikovksy, Mendelssohn, Stravinsky and all the other composers of the great Concertos use? The combined total is zero.


Wow, I was so excited but then I read this post. Utter disrespect for the hallowed conventions of the concert hall? Count me out. WTH Danny Elfman? So disappointed...


Ha! Which also brings to mind another point, which is that most symphony orchestras these days stay afloat by playing pops concerts or providing orchestral back-up for A Flock of Seagulls and the like. The idea that orchestras in 2019 will turn up their noses at playing a concerto because it's longer than they're used to is pretty laughable.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   sajrocks   (Member)

how many “orchestrators” were involved in this? It shouldn’t t matter, but if you are dipping your feet into the world of concert music, you need to ask yourself how many orchestrators did Shostakovich, Beethoven, Tchaikovksy, Mendelssohn, Stravinsky and all the other composers of the great Concertos use?

i would assume 2-3. that's what he used for his previous large-scale concert pieces – bartek/simone on 'serenada schizophrana' and bartek/simone/slonaker on 'rabbit & rogue'. (it's great that he always credits these artists and gives them so much work.) don't feel elfman's compositional approach/technique is analogous to shostakovich, beethoven et al., and know that many taking concert hall commissions these days work outside of traditions of 100+ years ago.

i'm also not sure at age 65 elfman should juggle doing X number of films and concert works each year, while learning the technical minutia of transposition, instrument idiosyncrasies, section/doubling balance etc. i'd much prefer him writing music and giving modern orchestra some pop/cash infusion.

that said, you can really tell how much he's learned about the orchestra when you listen to his (and his orchestrators') re-orchestrations of the 80s stuff in the burton concerts. and his writing since he started doing concert works in the mid 00s has definitely changed — richer, more complexity in harmonic and melodic ideas and interchange, perhaps a bit subtler and more well-balanced.

i for one can't wait to listen to the new concert works blasting through my headphones come march. thank you for sharing!

shannon

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2019 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

One of the most amazing live concerto experiences I've ever had was the Joseph Joachim (not to be confused with one of my very favorite composers mentioned by TerraEpon earlier in this thread, Joseph Joachim Raff) 2nd violin concerto performed by Christian Tetzlaff with the Houston Symphony. It has a reputation as the most difficult violin concerto that ever gets even an occasional airing and is over 45 minutes long...Tetzlaff's performance was incredible even though by the end of it he was sweating like crazy and his bow was kinda falling apart.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2019 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

Seems like it's a digital release in the US, according to Amazon.com, but a pressed CD elsewhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2019 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Amazon isn't always on top of things, so don't take that as verboten just yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2019 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Well as of this post according to this link https://www.amazon.com/Violin-Concerto-Eleven-Piano-Quartet/dp/B07MCDXXJD/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Danny+Elfman+Violin+Concerto&qid=1550598223&s=music&sr=1-1-catcorr an audio CD is being released in the US on April 5th. It just hasn't listed the price yet. My question is with this album being released by Sony Classical will this be a pressed CD or a CD-R at amazon US?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2019 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

Well as of this post according to this link https://www.amazon.com/Violin-Concerto-Eleven-Piano-Quartet/dp/B07MCDXXJD/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Danny+Elfman+Violin+Concerto&qid=1550598223&s=music&sr=1-1-catcorr an audio CD is being released in the US on April 5th. It just hasn't listed the price yet. My question is with this album being released by Sony Classical will this be a pressed CD or a CD-R at amazon US?

Cheaper to buy off .ca which is indicated as a CD:

https://www.amazon.ca/Violin-Concerto-Eleven-Piano-Quartet/dp/B07MCDXXJD/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1550628394&sr=8-1&keywords=elfman+violin+concerto

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2019 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

'Fantasma' is available now.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2019 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   sajrocks   (Member)

'Fantasma' is available now.

ooh. this is some dense, lushly intricate string writing. a new level for elfman. can't wait for the whole thing!

spotify link for those who can use it: https://open.spotify.com/track/5EX0PJalUOZpd6RkRypUKX

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2019 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Danny Elfman - The Making Of "Concerto for Violin & Orchestra 'Eleven Eleven'"

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 12:50 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

This looks really interesting. I do like a good violin concerto and the Fantasma track on Spotify sounds promising so I'll be giving this one a go.

The misspelling of 'giocoso' on the CD back inlay ... wonder whose error that was – Elfman's, Sony's, or the art department at whatever design agency Sony use? :-/

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2019 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I look forward to hear Concerto for Violin & Orchestra 'Eleven Eleven after watching that video.

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2019 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   sajrocks   (Member)

now up on spotify u.s.! still wrapping my ears around the concerto but already quite smitten with the quartet. intriguingly crafted, exquisitely performed.

https://open.spotify.com/album/12F3TYrPbhWpY1r4OcVOTg?si=jWYT8dm0S2Wn8cs54jKN8w

 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2019 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

CD version now playing here - I'm liking this so far :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2019 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Yes, looks like the CD shipped early.
I came home tonight to find it waiting for me via Amazon.
Very cool.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2019 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Pressed or CDR?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2019 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   DannyBiker   (Member)

Hem, I don't think Sony Classical is into CD-Rs...

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2019 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

Pressed or CDR?
Looks pressed to me :-)

 
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