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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Where are the deluxe chronological and complete releases of these late-career works?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

MERCURY RISING is Varese territory, so only when Mr. Townson will decide that it's time for C&C version of this one.
THE SPECIALIST... Maybe one day we will see (I mean - hear) it - I really hope for this title even more, than for Mercury Rising, 'cause original album has so low sound, that it's REALLY need remastering. Hell, I even will be happy with the same presentation, but with better sound (same with another Barry title - CHAPLIN)!.

Or maybe (just maybe!!!) both of them are already on work & we will see them very soon - who knows?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I agree that The Specialist and Chaplin are in urgent need of remastering. Expansions would be a bonus, though both are fairly comprehensive already I think.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I'd be interested to hear from someone who's more familiar with these two films, as to how much music by JB is not featured on the existing CD releases. Far as I can remember, more of JB's score for 'Mercury Rising' is on the CD than in the film, as Carter Burwell composed some of the action cues I think. I agree 'The Specialist' doesn't sound very clear, though I believe it features the majority of Barry's score. I don't remember anything significant from the film not on that CD.

As for 'Chaplin', Woolston mentioned on another thread that other than a few seconds here and there that CD is fairly complete. I think it sounds fine actually, better than 'The Specialist'.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'd buy a Mercury Rising Deluxe Edition, especially if Varese produced it with the Burwell contributions as bonus tracks (they have a decent relationship with him, after all).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2017 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I'd be interested to hear from someone who's more familiar with these two films, as to how much music by JB is not featured on the existing CD releases.

The Specialist -- the film -- is a guilty pleasure of mine. The CD is pretty complete -- in fact I think it is a bit redundant in places.

That said, there is a terrific, moody cue Barry wrote for a scene in which Sharon Stone looks at an apartment she intends to rent. It's not a lengthy scene, but I'd buy an expanded reissue just to have that cue!

I agree about the sound on The Specialist, which is mastered at a very low level, and has dullness and lack of high end. In fact I listened to it the other night right after spinning Deadfall -- and I was struck by how much better Deadfall sounded.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

Am surprised how everyone's so critical of The Specialist CD. When I want my socks blown off with a good-sounding recording I listen to tracks from this CD. Maybe it has something to do with the 60-year old JBL speakers I listen to...

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I'd buy a Mercury Rising Deluxe Edition, especially if Varese produced it with the Burwell contributions as bonus tracks (they have a decent relationship with him, after all).

Yavar


I, too, would be interested in hearing Carter Burwell's contributions to this score - but I would separate them when playing because in the film their inclusion is detrimental to the viewing experience ... completely at odds with the storyline. Maybe John Barry's score wasn't what the director/producers/money-men wanted but bringing Carter Burwell in to add (re-score?) did no good at all. The CD release of Mercury Rising is a wonderful listen - one of my favourites of the 1990s - and when you hear it matched with the visuals it works so well that Mr. Burwell's additions are just well ... superfluous.

I, too, would like a remastered release of The Specialist (1994) - my favourite 1990s' score - as I do need to up the volume when I play it. The CD plays just fine ... it's just a little on the quiet side - similarly Chaplin (1992) and Cry, the Beloved Country (1995) ... all released on the Epic label. At least Dances with Wolves (1990) has seen better releases.

Mitch

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Maybe John Barry's score wasn't what the director/producers/money-men wanted but bringing Carter Burwell in to add (re-score?) did no good at all. The CD release of Mercury Rising is a wonderful listen - one of my favourites of the 1990s - and when you hear it matched with the visuals it works so well that Mr. Burwell's additions are just well ... superfluous.

That's what happened. I recall Fiedel telling me he was asked, too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I remember the one and only time I saw MR on VHS and really noticing the music during the climactic fight and thinking, "this score is great." When I realized it was a John Barry score, I was surprised. I didn't think he wrote action cues like that. Burwell? You guys could probably tell me, but I'd be happy with the additional cues at long last.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I'll eat my shorts if Carter Burwell wrote the climactic fight scene music.

That's what made Mercury Rising so great. The old Barry was back...for a fleeting moment.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   ScottyM   (Member)

I'll eat my shorts if Carter Burwell wrote the climactic fight scene music.

That's what made Mercury Rising so great. The old Barry was back...for a fleeting moment.


Having found the movie on YouTube and watched that fight scene again, it really doesn't sound like Barry at all until Baldwin's character falls. I don't even think it sounds like "old Barry." But, if someone can actually confirm it was him, my hat's off to Mr. Barry for changing his style to fit 90's action movie scoring trends.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2017 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   gmanca   (Member)

In the final sequence I believe the split is first Barry until he helicopter arrives and then it's Burwell for the ensuing struggle. The Barry portion sounds like a View To A Kill's suspense cues and Burwell's portion sounds like his suspense cue from The Jackal.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2017 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   ScottyM   (Member)

Yeah, I'll buy that, absolutely. The struggle music itself is so not Barry to me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2017 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

THE SPECIALIST is one of Barry's best scores from the post-DANCES period. It's like he took what was great about BODY HEAT and what was great about Bond and blended them.

The original CD was fairly comprehensive but by no means complete. The biggest argument for re-doing it is the original CD doesn't sound so great and has been OOP for many years. And if you're gonna do it, you may as well make it complete.

Will we ever see it? Well, who knows. Given how long it takes to get scores onto CD (sometimes many years), for all we know it could be in the works and still years away.

Anyway, plus one for this.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2022 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Would love expansions of both THE SPECIALIST and MERCURY RISING.

Any further details about these titles?

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2022 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   Roger Moore Hair   (Member)

Barry's THE SPECIALIST is a late-career masterpiece. The score is filled with tension, resolve, and that brilliant Barry mood that is so addictive.

For me, the film is a guilty pleasure. It's pulpy dialogue and scenery chewing performances are beautifully elevated to cult-film status via Barry's contributions. I find myself rewatching it every couple of years. And, oh, what might have been had Barry scored a Pierce Brosnan Bond film? Something like this, methinks.

And I am in complete agreement with all of the thread contributors here. This score desperately deserves a remastering AND a vinyl pressing.

Here is the score: https://www.discogs.com/release/7062759-John-Barry-The-Specialist-Original-Motion-Picture-Score

And here is the "music from" album: https://www.discogs.com/master/510448-Various-The-Specialist-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture

The "music from" album includes 2 cues not found on the score album. And unlike the score album, the "music from" album was released on vinyl in Europe.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2022 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

Barry's THE SPECIALIST is a late-career masterpiece. The score is filled with tension, resolve, and that brilliant Barry mood that is so addictive.

For me, the film is a guilty pleasure. It's pulpy dialogue and scenery chewing performances are beautifully elevated to cult-film status via Barry's contributions. I find myself rewatching it every couple of years. And, oh, what might have been had Barry scored a Pierce Brosnan Bond film? Something like this, methinks.

And I am in complete agreement with all of the thread contributors here. This score desperately deserves a remastering AND a vinyl pressing.

Here is the score: https://www.discogs.com/release/7062759-John-Barry-The-Specialist-Original-Motion-Picture-Score

And here is the "music from" album: https://www.discogs.com/master/510448-Various-The-Specialist-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture

The "music from" album includes 2 cues not found on the score album. And unlike the score album, the "music from" album was released on vinyl in Europe.



I Could be off a bit…Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson ask John Barry to Compose Tomorrow Never Dies…But John Barry got road blocks from Wilson and Broccoli…The Money…Less Than other Bond Projects and Not able to work on the Theme Song, which already went to Sheryl Crow.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2022 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


The "music from" album includes 2 cues not found on the score album.


Those two cues were arrangements Barry recorded for "Moviola II".

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2022 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Barry's THE SPECIALIST is a late-career masterpiece. The score is filled with tension, resolve, and that brilliant Barry mood that is so addictive.

For me, the film is a guilty pleasure. It's pulpy dialogue and scenery chewing performances are beautifully elevated to cult-film status via Barry's contributions. I find myself rewatching it every couple of years. And, oh, what might have been had Barry scored a Pierce Brosnan Bond film? Something like this, methinks.

And I am in complete agreement with all of the thread contributors here. This score desperately deserves a remastering AND a vinyl pressing.

Here is the score: https://www.discogs.com/release/7062759-John-Barry-The-Specialist-Original-Motion-Picture-Score

And here is the "music from" album: https://www.discogs.com/master/510448-Various-The-Specialist-Music-From-The-Motion-Picture

The "music from" album includes 2 cues not found on the score album. And unlike the score album, the "music from" album was released on vinyl in Europe.


I Could be off a bit…Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson ask John Barry to Compose Tomorrow Never Dies…But John Barry got road blocks from Wilson and Broccoli…The Money…Less Than other Bond Projects and Not able to work on the Theme Song, which already went to Sheryl Crow.


Not true. Barry deliberately stopped after TLD and even suggested David Arnold to EON later on.

 
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