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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3      General Discussion: Max Steiner - KING KONG Alternate?     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Aug 11, 2017 - 3:41 PM     By:   Ray Faiola   (Member) So, quite a few years ago when I produced the KING KONG soundtrack for Rhino Records, I came across a reel of RKO music tracks that included nearly 12 minutes of KING KONG cues. These were included in the suite on the Rhino disc. However, there were also a couple of other tracks. One of them, I believe, was an audition cue for KING KONG. The only real clue was the brief statement of "Ann Darrow" near the end of the cue. Anyway, my master transfer from this reel got buried over the course of two moves but I came across it today. So here, for your edification, is what may be an audition cue for KING KONG. I don't think it is an outtake because none of the other material matches the motifs in KONG. The only other possibility - and it's a distinct one - is that it is a cue from THE MONKEY'S PAW. The "Ann Darrow" may have merely been a chord deprogression effect which Max would develop in full for KING KONG. Anyway, here it is: http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/kong_alternate.mp3    Posted:   Aug 11, 2017 - 3:49 PM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) Too bad it wasn't a cue by Steiner for the lost "Spider Pit" sequence. Now THAT would be something...    Posted:   Aug 11, 2017 - 7:08 PM     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member) Thanks for sharing that, Ray. You can definitely hear strains of Kong music in there toward the end. Very cool!    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 1:51 AM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) Very cool! Yes, it is! Anything archival/KONG '33-related is cool IMO....    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 8:04 AM     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member) Anything archival/KONG '33-related is cool IMO.... I must agree, because I've collected the Charles Gerhardt suite, the Fred Steiner CD, the William Stromberg CD, and the OST tracks. And the film on DVD and Blu-ray. Also, I've done the same for the '76 and '05 versions. That crazy ape is the biggest "thing" in show business.    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 8:30 AM     By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member) Fantastic. And fascinating. Definitely in the same "sound world" (if that's the phrase I'm looking for, and I'm not at all sure it is) as KONG. Thanks, Ray!    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 9:21 AM     By:   sdtom   (Member) I'm perfectly happy with the Stromberg/Morgan release. The large orchestra and the arranging genius of Morgan make for 1+ hours of pleasure    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 11:05 AM     By:   PFK   (Member) I'm perfectly happy with the Stromberg/Morgan release. The large orchestra and the arranging genius of Morgan make for 1+ hours of pleasure I agree. I really enjoy the Stromberg/Morgan release. Great to have this KONG cue. The last part does indeed sound like the KONG score. Perhaps from a deleted scene? Maybe discarded and Max wrote a new / different cue? Ray, are we getting near your Max Steiner announcement?    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 1:23 PM     By:   sdtom   (Member) I have a question for all of you? Please explain to me why some of you have to have every note ever written. I kind of liken it to getting every word from all of the Harry Potter books. https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/king-kongsteiner/ My review of King Kong    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 1:35 PM     By:   RoryR   (Member) So, quite a few years ago when I produced the KING KONG soundtrack for Rhino Records, I came across a reel of RKO music tracks that included nearly 12 minutes of KING KONG cues. These were included in the suite on the Rhino disc. Is this also the source for the so-called "Overture" on the Warner DVD and Blu-ray editions of KK?    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 2:54 PM     By:   Ray Faiola   (Member) No. The "fauxverture" was put together using material from the four 78rpm sides originally given to Max on RCA discs and then copied multiple times for the composer's friends. The RKO sound engineer simply played cues and let them run out as each side ended. The fauxverture was in the form of a 16mm optical soundtrack negative and loads of prints were made to accompany Lester Salerno's "MONKEY" dupes of KING KONG. There never was an overture for KING KONG. The four 78rpm sides made for Max were used for the Rhino disc, along with the supplemental 35mm optical music tracks.    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 3:09 PM     By:   Justin Boggan   (Member) Thank you, Ray, that was very nice. It almost sounded like that wasn't the whole thing, like it cut off early and there was more.    Posted:   Aug 12, 2017 - 3:27 PM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) I have a question for all of you? Please explain to me why some of you have to have every note ever written. I kind of liken it to getting every word from all of the Harry Potter books. I'm not trying to be smarmy, but I honestly don't understand the question. Why would I want to read an abridged novel? Or experience an abridged ANYTHING, if more of the experience is a possible alternative? We're film score fans, so many of us want to hear the scores we love in as complete a form as possible. (Regarding the KONG cue; If it was an unused cue from that film, I simply wanted to hear it because I'm a fan of the original KING KONG and was curious what an outtake from that classic score might sound like. If it's not, it's still interesting to hear more Steiner music from when he was in his prime.)    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 1:36 AM     By:   Ray Faiola   (Member) Thank you, Ray, that was very nice. It almost sounded like that wasn't the whole thing, like it cut off early and there was more. Yes, the optical film was "spliced out". This is only a partial cue.    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 9:44 AM     By:   sdtom   (Member) I have a question for all of you? Please explain to me why some of you have to have every note ever written. I kind of liken it to getting every word from all of the Harry Potter books. I'm not trying to be smarmy, but I honestly don't understand the question. Why would I want to read an abridged novel? Or experience an abridged ANYTHING, if more of the experience is a possible alternative? We're film score fans, so many of us want to hear the scores we love in as complete a form as possible. (Regarding the KONG cue; If it was an unused cue from that film, I simply wanted to hear it because I'm a fan of the original KING KONG and was curious what an outtake from that classic score might sound like. If it's not, it's still interesting to hear more Steiner music from when he was in his prime.) What I'm talking about is the complete product but also all of the rewrites so that every word that was written is included in the book. Sorry for the confusion. I've been a film score collector since 1959 (Peter Gunn) I've accumulated 1000 lp's and over 3000 CD's. I threw away all of my cassetes. This includes classical, jazz, big band, and other categories. What I don't have are the other releases of King Kong. I'm content with the Stromberg material.    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 3:20 PM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) What I'm talking about is the complete product but also all of the rewrites so that every word that was written is included in the book. Sorry for the confusion. I've been a film score collector since 1959 (Peter Gunn) I've accumulated 1000 lp's and over 3000 CD's. I threw away all of my cassetes. This includes classical, jazz, big band, and other categories. What I don't have are the other releases of King Kong. I'm content with the Stromberg material. Apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. BTW, is the Stromberg the one that was originally released on Marco Polo? If so, I'm pretty happy with that one too. It's complete and it's performed well (even if perhaps a little distant-sounding in the mic placement department)...    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 3:48 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I think the reason why everyone (including myself) likes Stromberg's FAHRENHEIT 451 is BECAUSE it sounds like the original - both the score and orchestration. His KK doesnt sound at all like the film. To put it another way, if it were the original recording on the film but was lost and couldnt be released, I'm not sure anyone would bother to re-record it. It's the same for movie remakes which are almost always lame compared to the original.    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 4:36 PM     By:   sdtom   (Member) I don't think i is a LAME re-recording at all.It is a symphonic recording of the basic material. It should sound different. Having said that it is a good recording and it has superior sound. I can remember seeing Henry Mancini in a concert in 1963 and while the arrangements of the material were different I thought the sound was far better. I prefer that larger sounding sound as opposed to an enhanced mono sound of the original material.    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 4:58 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I'm not interested in concert versions, I'm interested in film soundtracks. I wish Fred Steiner had done a complete re-recording. At least his partial sounds like the film version.    Posted:   Aug 13, 2017 - 5:04 PM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) I think the reason why everyone (including myself) likes Stromberg's FAHRENHEIT 451 is BECAUSE it sounds like the original - both the score and orchestration. His KK doesnt sound at all like the film. ??? I think it sounds quite a bit like the original, both in performance and overall balance/mix of the instruments. It's the one I grab off the shelf --- other than sometimes the Rhino disc, which is more of a "Story of King Kong" album --- when I want to hear the score to KK '33.     General Discussion: Max Steiner - KING KONG Alternate?    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3

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