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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

This is fantastic news! I know I gotta get my Max Richter on by snatching up his scores and "works". I love what I've heard. The film itself is highly anticipated- I LOVE WESTERNS and Christian Bale is simply amazing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I've become addicted to Richter music in a big way. Bought another 4 CDs over Christmas. I'm looking forward to hearing this. I've found his music has always stood out in a good way and in The Leftovers was just wonderfully melancholy at times. Definitely my favourite composer of recent years.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 11:00 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hostiles is not a John Wayne rip roaring western with a “Bernsteinish or Goldsmithish” rousing score. However, I still liked it. I certainly admired this film.

This is a VERY slow moving, contemplative, philosophic western that certainly explores universal and still relevant themes. It is a rumination on good, evil, shades of gray and finally on prejudice. We see how our prejudices are formed and how they can evolve and change when we finally witness the humanity in those we’ve hated and discriminated against. Also, almost everyone in this film is guilty of atrocities as well as decency. They carry the heavy burden of guilt.

Christian Bale is great in this film. So is Rosamund Pike and several supporting characters.

Stunning landscapes. The cinematography is superb.

My husband thought it was rather boring. I found it intriguing and insightful.


For most of the film, the music has long extended chords to denote tension which I found rather dull and has some rather quiet more interesting cues that underscore emotions. No themes and little action music. You can certainly tell that this is a Richter score as I heard a lot of orchestrations similar to those used in On The Nature Of Daylight and in his score for The Leftovers. His music seems to have a distinct voice. During the last 20 minutes, he composed louder, more dense cues to highlight or enhance the emotionality of several final scenes. They are effective in my opinion but not thematic or really melodic. They do what I heard in Nature of Daylight; they capture melancholy. I felt his music worked in the film, but it isn’t a score I would buy for a stand-alone listening experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2018 - 2:15 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

For most of the film, the music has long extended chords to denote tension which I found rather dull and has some rather quiet more interesting cues that underscore emotions. No themes and little action music. You can certainly tell that this is a Richter score as I heard a lot of orchestrations similar to those used in On The Nature Of Daylight and in his score for The Leftovers. His music seems to have a distinct voice. During the last 20 minutes, he composed louder, more dense cues to highlight or enhance the emotionality of several final scenes. They are effective in my opinion but not thematic or really melodic. They do what I heard in Nature of Daylight; they capture melancholy. I felt his music worked in the film, but it isn’t a score I would buy for a stand-alone listening experience.

I kinda agree with you. I love pretty much everything Richter does (he's one of the best of his generation, IMO), but in this particular instance, I was not sold on the score as a standalone listen either. I sampled it on Spotify. But I'm very curious to see the film. Sounds like something right up my alley ("slow-moving" being a particular selling point).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2018 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Washu   (Member)

I liked the score, but I agree - the album is a slog and pretty tedious. At its best it is good though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2018 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Thor, it is slow moving in parts, which I didn't mind. I really admired this movie; however, there were two flaws (IMHO) in this film. One was that a few scenes that created enlightenment in characters seemed a bit contrived, but then the writer/director only had two hours to promote his thesis. Sometimes the slow pace was due to extended dialogue that seemed unnecessary. Tarantino does that. Quentin seems to like dialogue that goes on and on. Hostiles has important dialogue that lets us into the lives of characters, especially Bale's character; however, I think a few scenes extended the dialogue for too long even though the point had already been made. Others may disagree.

Still, I do think a lot about this movie and certain scenes. It is a rather haunting film.

I should also note that places in this movie are quite violent which may bother some viewers. I was especially horrified by the fact that a mom and dad brought two small children to this movie. (Maybe they were around 5 and 7.) I hate it when parents don't consider the ramifications of small children viewing such graphic violence.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2018 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Check out INTO THE FOREST.
No cd unfortunately: (
Brm

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2018 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

Huge Richter fan here, but yeah, same goes for me. This album didn`t move me a bit.
Quite boring, kinda.

Haven`t watched the movie though...

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Thor, it is slow moving in parts, which I didn't mind. I really admired this movie; however, there were two flaws (IMHO) in this film. One was that a few scenes that created enlightenment in characters seemed a bit contrived, but then the writer/director only had two hours to promote his thesis. Sometimes the slow pace was due to extended dialogue that seemed unnecessary. Tarantino does that. Quentin seems to like dialogue that goes on and on. Hostiles has important dialogue that lets us into the lives of characters, especially Bale's character; however, I think a few scenes extended the dialogue for too long even though the point had already been made. Others may disagree.

Still, I do think a lot about this movie and certain scenes. It is a rather haunting film.

I should also note that places in this movie are quite violent which may bother some viewers. I was especially horrified by the fact that a mom and dad brought two small children to this movie. (Maybe they were around 5 and 7.) I hate it when parents don't consider the ramifications of small children viewing such graphic violence.


I saw the film a few days ago and just wanted to add my comments. The film is well worth seeing and I must say I liked it very much in spite of some flaws.
I too thought that some of the dialogues went on a bit too long, and probably because of that, the film was too long. No scenes needed to be cut, but they did seem to need to be trimmed. Minutes off here and there would have really moved it along. I was also disappointed the characters of the Native Americans were not explored. We really knew nothing of who they were and why they were the way they were. But if Cooper had done that, the movie would have been even longer, and I was just grumbling about how long it was.
What I think it did do well was to show the healing process for some of the characters, especially Blocker and Mrs. Quaid. They healed each other.
So, this is my third favorite film of the year, right behind Wind River and Three Billboards.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Great points, mgh. Agreed.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2018 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I just read A.O. Scott's review of HOSTILES in The New York Times. He refers to Richter's "muscular, old-style score." I must have missed that score. My lasting impression of the music is of a treacly piano.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2018 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

"Muscular, old-style score." Like you, Bob, I certainly missed that score. That reviewer must not really know western scores.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2018 - 12:26 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

He probably saw the version temp tracked with Rio Conchos.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

"... it is slow moving in parts, which I didn't mind. I really admired this movie; however, there were two flaws (IMHO) in this film. One was that a few scenes that created enlightenment in characters seemed a bit contrived, but then the writer/director only had two hours to promote his thesis. Sometimes the slow pace was due to extended dialogue that seemed unnecessary. ..Hostiles has important dialogue that lets us into the lives of characters, especially Bale's character; however, I think a few scenes extended the dialogue for too long even though the point had already been made. ..."



"I too thought that some of the dialogues went on a bit too long, and probably because of that, the film was too long. No scenes needed to be cut, but they did seem to need to be trimmed. ..... I was also disappointed the characters of the Native Americans were not explored. We really knew nothing of who they were and why they were the way they were.,,,,,
What I think it did do well was to show the healing process for some of the characters, especially Blocker and Mrs. Quaid. They healed each other."



Pretty much feel the same way.
IT coulda been great with some judicious editing.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2020 - 2:37 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So I finally saw this movie yesterday (it's on Netflix over here). It's pretty good, and I love Bale's character arc, but I have some issues with other, more stereotypical characters and situations. Seemed rather out-of-place compared to the philosophical themes it wanted to portray (with themes such as redemption, revenge, solidarity and so on). Gets unnecessarily brutal towards the end there (basically "everybody dies"). I gave it three out of five stars on MUBI. While it is slow-moving, it's fairly straightforward. It's no MEEK'S CUTOFF or the like, more radical departures from the tempo of traditional westerns.

Richter's score does what it's supposed to in the film, i.e mirroring the dark psychological undercurrents, but it remains one of my least favourite soundtrack albums of his. I have 23 Richter albums, but this one had to go. It's better appreciated in context than on album. Obviously, a more traditional western score would be WILDLY out-of-place here, so anyone criticizing it for not being that, clearly hasn't seen the film and what it wants to do.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2020 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I haven't seen the film, so I can't discuss the score in context, but I picked up the CD in a sale not long ago, having suddenly become very taken by Richter's music after hearing Ad Astra and I loved the opening track of Hostiles.
I was interrupted during the play and haven't returned to it yet, but I will. Oh I will smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2020 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

A languid and booooooring score. As usual from Richter.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2020 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Good underrated film. Probably didn't do well at the box office. The music? Didn't make much of an impression while watching the film. Is that a good thing or not?

 
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