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 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Whilst we all deplore the casting-couch power abuses of predatory males, Catherine and others have come out against the opposite bandwagon polarity:


Deneuve: Men have right to 'hit on' women:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42630108

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It really is very simple. There is a divide. You either see things from one perspective or another. No one is more right or wrong than the other. Liberté, égalité, fraternité. You'll just have to get used to my way of seeing things as I've put up with your way of doing things without saying much, if anything, until now. That's a general statement, Will, not directed at you.

Edit: the original motto, which is more pertinent to the herd corralling methods of the Revolution was, "liberté, égalité, fraternité ou la mort."

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Take a look at this madness:


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/sleeping-beauty-ban-book-teacher-inappropriate-behaviour-a8071951.html

The reason the 'Sleeping Beauty' story is so universal is its mythic truth. Now we are to have a world where young men don't awaken passion in young women, nor do young women inspire young men.

With mothers like this, and clearly 'absent' fathers, God help the next generation.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Ah, it's all ....ed anyway, William.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

It really is very simple. There is a divide. You either see things from one perspective or another. No one is more right or wrong than the other.


All truth is paradoxical, which 90% of people don't get. But a look at what archetypes are at work here reveals the negative mother who castrates the male. It's Oedipal. Diana the huntress who strikes any man blind who sees her naked. No mention of Daddy in the many articles on this. Daddy is at work, keeping well out of it. No wonder beautiful Perseus has to turn up to slay Medusa. Or Marlon Brando on his bike. Or the Prince. Or the woodcutter's son with his axe ....

There has to be balance.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Caesar liked history . . . his way. Good job historians and archaeologists look under every stone.

There was a thread on the other side about Aldous Huxley's broadcast of Brave New World wrt to Herrmann's incidental music for it. Required reading. Orwell, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2018 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I agree with Mademoiselle Deneuve. There is nuance when dealing with such matters. Americans have lost sight of the fact that many issues are neither black nor white.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Elle s'a dégonflé. (I had to look that verb up ..)



Deneuve apologises to sex assault victims:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42687157

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I agree with Deneuve too.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I agree with Deneuve too.

Aujourd'hui ou hier?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hier.

The 'fringe' elements of this trend that have been caught up in the legitimate accusations are sometimes insane and way out of proportion. Like the aforementioned SNOW WHITE issue. Or when those women went out against James Franco -- in a seminar he held on how to simulate sex on film!

We shouldn't come to a point where men get too afraid to hit on women -- even clumsily -- without the #metoo campaign being brandied about.

As someone said earlier, nuance is far too often being left by the wayside.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Aujourd'hui ou hier?

She has probably been advised since. However, another actor of standing is "on the fence" because true Shakespearean experience covers the lot - how far should the method go? The real Snow White lesson, is actually to beware of strangers bearing gifts.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Aujourd'hui ou hier?

She has probably been advised since. However, another actor of standing is "on the fence" because true Shakespearean experience covers the lot - how far should the method go? The real Snow White lesson, is actually to beware of strangers bearing gifts.



The evil queen is the envious mother, collectively as well as personally. She tries constricting women, and poisoning them, but the 'true' beauty comes through via nature. The thing teaches young women to be wary of the 'mother', whether as culture and fashion and money (the corsets), the church, the envious, and the elders. Authority tries to kill whatever is truer than itself.

Red Riding Hood is more personal. The young man with the axe needs to slay the granny/wolf both in himself (to win his bride) and in the world. Cinderella too has to chose freedom.

That mother in the Sleeping Beauty news item reads the story to her kid, and completely misunderstands that she HERSELF is the wicked witch, who wants to emasculate her boy. In pretending to 'awareness' she shows herself a nitwit. People can't read metaphor or symbol any more and Aspergers is the new Clever.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Non-Disney mouse problems.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

So then, what was wrong with Disney - whatever possessed them to show a young man kissing a young woman tenderly on the lips? What a disgrace.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

So then, what was wrong with Disney - whatever possessed them to show a young man kissing a young woman tenderly on the lips? What a disgrace.

I think what the person in question reacted to was the fact that she was sleeping, and hence non-consensual.

Madness!

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I think what the person in question reacted to was the fact that she was sleeping, and hence non-consensual.

That seems clear enough, Thor. There are all sorts of pros and cons, the primary concern being why didn't Disney see that at the time the movie was being made? I mean, didn't they even have meetings to discuss how this might be construed when Rip Van effin' Winkle woke up?

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

So then, what was wrong with Disney - whatever possessed them to show a young man kissing a young woman tenderly on the lips? What a disgrace.


They couldn't very well depict her giving birth in her sleep, that's for sure!

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

You sort of wonder where this leaves the gospel story of Jairus' daughter.

Messiah walks into the room where a 12 year old girl from a religious strict family is lying dead from anorexia, or whatever. He doesn't kiss her, but he insists on taking in his three toughest, most virile young male disciples. He shouts at her to get up.

Chauvenist! Can't she die in peace? ...

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

You sort of wonder where this leaves the gospel story of Jairus' daughter.

Messiah walks into the room where a 12 year old girl from a religious strict family is lying dead from anorexia, or whatever. He doesn't kiss her, but he insists on taking in his three toughest, most virile young male disciples. He shouts at her to get up.

Chauvenist! Can't she die in peace? ...


Exactly. Where do you draw the line? And what is it precisely, you are drawing the line to?

 
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