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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Never liked Wiliams in "cute" mode. Okay, not a weakness, just a style I don't care for from the Master.

Cantina Band
Conversation
March of the Villians
Parade Of The Ewoks

I usually, if not always delete these from my playlist.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I like all of those... big grin

JW’s weakness in my humble opinion is leaving momentous cues off of his soundtrack albums (Superman saves Lois, Han Solo is frozen, Luke loses his shit and goes crazy after Vader, etc).

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I like all of those... big grin

JW’s weakness in my humble opinion is leaving momentous cues off of his soundtrack albums (Superman saves Lois, Han Solo is frozen, Luke loses his shit and goes crazy after Vader, etc.).


Now THAT'S a cue title I hope we get when Quentin Tarantino writes and directs a Star Wars film!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

I too do not share Solium's issue with the four cues mentioned. In fact I enjoy them all very much. I also love the way Williams handled the segue from Luke's Theme to The Parade of the Ewoks in the Finale.

However, I'm not a fan of Williams' cutesy celesta music for the birth of the Skywalker twins. Seems inappropriate, but then again so was the overall approach Lucas took for the scene (what exactly were those wierd noises the flying maternity droid was making, was it saying something to the babies?)

I also don't enjoy the use of Moaning Woman (TM) in Padme's Ruminations, i.m.o. a completely out of place treatment for this universe. Oh, and Dex's Diner, but I'm not even sure Williams composed that.

Other than that, it's all good wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

The two Cantina Band tracks are about the only source cues I ever liked on a soundtrack album and I include them on my "whittled" CD-Rs.

The concert versions of those other themes mentioned I do omit if for no other reason than to save CD space for what I really want to hear.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Never liked Wiliams in "cute" mode. Okay, not a weakness, just a style I don't care for from the Master.

Cantina Band
Conversation
March of the Villians
Parade Of The Ewoks

I usually, if not always delete these from my playlist.


I expect that kind of material in those kinds of films. Those cues serve the scenes in which they are heard. Williams just delivers the goods that those "cutesy" scenes require. I can understand someone not liking them, though.

Edit: I happen to like all of the cues you mention. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Never liked Wiliams in "cute" mode. Okay, not a weakness, just a style I don't care for from the Master.

Cantina Band
Conversation
March of the Villians
Parade Of The Ewoks

I usually, if not always delete these from my playlist.


I expect that kind of material in those kinds of films. Those cues serve the scenes in which they are heard. Williams just delivers the goods that those "cutesy" scenes require. I can understand someone not liking them, though.


They're fine in short snippets, so I actually agree with you, he delivered the goods for what the scene required in the films. But as stand alone musical pieces, Williams "cute" music wear thin on me.

Though I think there are good examples of cute or playful music which I do love, like the material in Powell's "Agent Cody Banks" and Giacchino's "Spider-Man Homing".

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Adding to my deleted list- The Brachiosaurus music from Jurassic Park. Jesus beat me to death with a candy cane!

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Cantina Band is the best thing John Williams ever wrote.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I think the "serious" fan (not that you're not serious) can appreciate Williams in "comic mode" for two reasons:

[1] How different the pieces are from each other

and

[2] His references to the works of other composers/musicians. For instance, Prokofiev and/or Benny Goodman, in relation to some of the cues mentioned above.

There's also the matter of musical solutions to plot-oriented challenges. These cues serve as a musical record of the creative ways Williams solved the challenges the stories presented. You know, the reasons why he's one of the great film composers.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Adding to my deleted list- The Brachiosaurus music from Jurassic Park.

Are you referring to the music for the second half of Journey to the Island or the My Friend the Brachiosaurus cue?

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Adding to my deleted list- The Brachiosaurus music from Jurassic Park.

Are you referring to the music for the second half of Journey to the Island or the My Friend the Brachiosaurus cue?


My Friend the Brachiosarus. Actually in retrospect it's a lovely cue, but the cutesy ending annoys me. I know the scene ends on a silly gag, thus the "funny" music, but it's kinda like the orchestra is laughing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

And laughing is bad because....?

smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2018 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

And laughing is bad because....?

smile


It's to Mickey Mousey for my tastes. Though I ironically love this laughing song. big grin


 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

At least the Jawa theme escape your cutesy-disliking wrath.



The opening strings sound Herrmannesque.

Is it just me or does one of the instruments "gulp" around 1:38 for comedic effect?

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It's to Mickey Mousey for my tastes. Though I ironically love this laughing song. big grin

Liking a comedic song is marching in lockstep with the FSM status quo. If you had pointed out some comedy cues, not songs, that you enjoyed then maybe the more rebellious FSMers would wear that Solium Guevara revolutionary t-shirt.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

At least the Jawa theme escape your cutesy-disliking wrath.



The opening strings sound Herrmannesque.

Is it just me or does one of the instruments "gulp" around 1:38 for comedic effect?


EASILY my favorite cue from that score. And yes I think you might be right.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

At least the Jawa theme escape your cutesy-disliking wrath.



The opening strings sound Herrmannesque.

Is it just me or does one of the instruments "gulp" around 1:38 for comedic effect?


The Right of Spring isn't really all that cutesy. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Right of Spring isn't really all that cutesy. big grin

Never heard of it. Are you sure you don't mean "The Rite of Spring"?

And since Williams was ripping that off, can we now stop calling him a genius? big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2018 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The Right of Spring isn't really all that cutesy. big grin

Never heard of it. Are you sure you don't mean "The Rite of Spring"?

And since Williams was ripping that off, can we now stop calling him a genius? big grin


Hey I just woke up! Long night at work.

 
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