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Apr 13, 2018 - 10:51 PM
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Solium
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Just watched episode one and it was quite disappointing. Very poorly written. I absolutely hate modern story telling where they constantly bounce around from the present to the past to fill in the blanks.
The back stories are not interesting at all. The main story while "action packed" moved like molasses. There is a race against time, and yet I didn't feel any tension.
The very first scene had me scratching my head. What's with all the flaming debris around the ships? (Kinda answered later in the episode) But it leaves you confused instead of invested in the action.
They spend little time in developing the characters, other than lazy disjointed flashback scenes. This is sadly another dysfunctional family. Why can't the drama come from their adventure together instead of all the soap opera tropes? John Robinson is really off putting, so is Penny, and so is Maureen.
Plot wise things just happen. It's a connect the dots plot. We need this to happen, then the next thing, keep pilling it up. A script of conveyance.
How did Will and the Robot suddenly learn to communicate after spending seemingly hours on a tree just staring at each other? Why did the robot chase after Will to begin with? The Robot was low on power, how was it recharged? I guess no need to explain such things, Will and Robot must save the day.
I'm particularly dismayed to see "Doctor Smith" is just some psycho women in disguise. Again with zero set up.
Then we have the attack of the alien robot on the space complex, though Will stated he was the first to ever come in contact with alien life many hours later. WTF?
The famous "Danger Will Robinson" line was completely out of place in context of the moment. Everyone knows the danger. How stupid is this robot?
And why is Judy black?
The pros? Fantastic production values and score. Looks and sounds great. Hope the series improves.
Bottom line, nothing was "earned".
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Apr 14, 2018 - 6:01 PM
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fmfan1
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Mild Episode 2 spoiler. The show isn't bad, but it is disappointing (for me) in that the tone is so different from the original series.
Like the original series, it's supposed to be lightweight adventure aimed at the whole family.
I was hoping for "lightweight," but it's not! Every time two people interact, it's trying to be "serious" and "meaningful." Personal conflict abounds. (You see, that makes it "important.") I want to scream at them not to talk to one another! Action is constantly interrupted by two characters having a conversation that's insulting in its efforts to hammer home some obvious "character development."
Will and the Robot playing catch? Think about how the old series would have handled that. Here, it's a chance for John Robinson to realize he's been a terrible dad.
Can't we just have a grand old adventure? Three episodes in, I don't wish that I were part of the Robinson family - I'm left wondering how they qualified for this mission in the first place with all of the emotional stuff coming out. I don't remember characters in the original series having PTSD! I guess that makes this new show more "realistic" and "important."
Finally, I wouldn't agree that it's aimed at the whole family. There is light cussing: a-hole, son of a b-tch, etc. There is also violence and one character certainly does some vile things. Both of my kids liked the original series, but my younger child is going to have to wait for this one....
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Apr 16, 2018 - 1:01 AM
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Thor
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LOL, when did you become such an old and bitter man, solium? Was the Oreo bit really THAT bad? I realize it's probaly 'sneak advertisement' a little bit, but mostly it was a reward for Penny and Judy -- using a famous (and in the future rare) brand with international profile that most people would recognize.
Anyways, my comments to YOUR comments, as requested:
Just watched episode one and it was quite disappointing. Very poorly written. I absolutely hate modern story telling where they constantly bounce around from the present to the past to fill in the blanks.
As I mentioned earlier, I'm no fan of the 'flashback' technique either. I prefer to stay in the moment -- especially for explorative adventure shows like this -- and not be "distracted" too much by back stories. But I don't "hate" it. They do help flesh out the characters to become more real and three-dimensional.
The very first scene had me scratching my head. What's with all the flaming debris around the ships? (Kinda answered later in the episode) But it leaves you confused instead of invested in the action.
The flaming debris is from the crash site(s). Loved those AVATAR-like sparks.
They spend little time in developing the characters, other than lazy disjointed flashback scenes. This is sadly another dysfunctional family. Why can't the drama come from their adventure together instead of all the soap opera tropes? John Robinson is really off putting, so is Penny, and so is Maureen.
Well, that's your right to feel that way. Personally, I like the whole family -- in fact, I'm impressed they've managed to avoid the 'annoying kid' syndrome altogether. Also, I like the fact that the 'melodrama' is toned down in favour of in-situation intrigue. In other words, my reaction here is the exact opposite of yours.
Plot wise things just happen. It's a connect the dots plot. We need this to happen, then the next thing, keep pilling it up. A script of conveyance.
Just like the old show, then. What I like about this reboot is that it has a defined and gripping story arc, yet -- like the old show -- it also incorporates "random hindrances" along the way that don't necessarily stem from the main story arc. So while it's far better written and executed than the old show, it still has these small 'odes' to the scatterbrained ideas of the original show.
How did Will and the Robot suddenly learn to communicate after spending seemingly hours on a tree just staring at each other?
The Robot learned quickly. And as we get to know later, he has interacted with humans before. We don't know his full back story yet. I thought this was beautifully exectuted -- body language and non-verbal communication, Spielberg-style.
Why did the robot chase after Will to begin with?
It didn't. It chased after his upper body. Which happened to be in the same direction Will was running.
The Robot was low on power, how was it recharged? I guess no need to explain such things, Will and Robot must save the day.
It was re-charged when it re-connected to its legs.
I'm particularly dismayed to see "Doctor Smith" is just some psycho women in disguise. Again with zero set up.
I love that it's no set-up. It allows them to develop the antagonist throughout the series, rather than telling everyone everything upfront, like on the old show. Even now -- after I've completed the series -- there are still a lot of unanswered questions about her back story. Is she a sociopath? Sure. But what is she hiding? Hopefully, we get to explore that in season 2.
Then we have the attack of the alien robot on the space complex, though Will stated he was the first to ever come in contact with alien life many hours later. WTF?
Yes, as someone else already said -- Will (and the family) does not know it was an attack when they evacuate the Resolute.
The famous "Danger Will Robinson" line was completely out of place in context of the moment. Everyone knows the danger. How stupid is this robot?
A lot smarter than the original robot, that's for sure. I thought it was a perfect moment to introduce that line -- it's been set up earlier (while they're in the tree), and now -- before a new life & death situation, their bond is cemented.
And why is Judy black?
Explained a couple of episodes later. She is Maureen's daughter from a previous relationship (with a black, hitherto unknown man - could it be the captain of the Resolute?). This not only avoids 'whitewashing', but is also in line with contemporary, complex family situations.
Now that I've finished the show, I'm already having abstinence. I really, really liked it -- the mood, the way the situations were built and so on. It's a world I want to return to and absorb. For me, this is a type of show that is more about that than characters and what happens to them. I'm so glad they managed to take an old and crappy show -- but with a cool premise -- and mold that into something closer to its potential.
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Apr 16, 2018 - 7:44 AM
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Solium
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LOL, when did you become such an old and bitter man, solium? Was the Oreo bit really THAT bad? I realize it's probaly 'sneak advertisement' a little bit, but mostly it was a reward for Penny and Judy -- using a famous (and in the future rare) brand with international profile that most people would recognize.
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It's egregious product placement. Any intelligent person knows it's a commercial written into the story. This is the worst kind of product placement. And it went on for 30 minutes! I counted 4 times an actor held the package of Oreo cookies in their hands. They just don't hold onto it willy-nilly, they hold it with both hands to the sides of the package and promptly display it in front of their bodies. And at least one time eating the product.
It totally took me out of the story, the drama, the characters. (I wonder if the actors feel like corporate whores when forced to do this? Do they feel dirty afterwords?)
I don't even know what time period this series takes place in, but they didn't even change the package design! I'm sure 5, 10, 30 years from now, an Oreo's package isn't gonna look like it does today. Like Penny bought it in 2018.
I'll give this series one more episode to get it's act together, or I'm done with it. I'm sure you're all tired of my ranting anyway. 
Thanks for your detailed responses. I'll mull them over.
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