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 Posted:   Apr 22, 2018 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

...score to Star Wars to make people(mainstream audiences) more appreciative of film scores?

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2018 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Okay this is gonna sound cynical but...

Mainstream audiences never appreciate film scores. Not then, not now. It might have affected them subconsciously, but I don't think it was the score they latched onto.

It's really no different than today. Star Wars became the biggest hit of all time, and studios came to the conclusion this is what audiences want to hear in the film. So we got a decade or more of bombast orchestral music. Wonderful for us fans of thematic soundtracks with sweeping themes.

The tides changed when the biggest money making films had atmospheric (sonic wallpaper) scores and that became the new trend. Not by customer demand but studio directives.

Along with the colors teal and orange, images with heads cut off and grungy promotional art.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2018 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

...score to Star Wars to make people(mainstream audiences) more appreciative of film scores?

I don’t think that happened.

In general, mainstream audiences don’t care, nor really should they, any more than they specifically appreciate cinematography or costume design.

But there were scores prior to Star Wars that impacted mainstream audiences — “Born Free” or “The Pink Panther” or “The Godfather” and various others. It’s rare, but it happened. And it’s happened since. “Star Wars” was a phenomenon on 1977 in all levels. The MECO version of the theme didn’t hurt, either.

But my answer to why it happened is that it didn’t.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

...score to Star Wars to make people(mainstream audiences) more appreciative of film scores?

Of course Star Wars Film was an instant hit. The Old Hollywood Studios System was..The Best Kind of Score is the score you cannot hear.

But a couple years before Star Wars was Jaws..It was the First Summer Blockbuster with Johnny T. Williams score a blaring...and recognizable..with a couple of notes. Oscar, Golden Globe, and Grammy wins.

George Lucas as you all remember was going to pull a Stanley Krubrick for the Star Wars music...all classical recordings..until Spielberg introduced John Williams to Lucas. The rest is musical history.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

...score to Star Wars to make people(mainstream audiences) more appreciative of film scores?

Jim "Clickbait" Cleveland aka Jim Cincinnati strikes again! big grin

I suppose Jaws and Star Wars were "refreshing" reactions after several years of rock/pop/funk music scores. However, something like Shaft or Black Caesar wouldn't have been the same with a Johnny Williams score. Star Wars was a nostalgiafest, so having a "Classical" score made sense. The second half of the 1970s were quite different from the first half...

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

...score to Star Wars to make people(mainstream audiences) more appreciative of film scores?

Jim "Clickbait" Cleveland aka Jim Cincinnati strikes again! big grin

I suppose Jaws and Star Wars were "refreshing" reactions after several years of rock/pop/funk music scores. However, something like Shaft or Black Caesar wouldn't have been the same with a Johnny Williams score. Star Wars was a nostalgiafest, so having a "Classical" score made sense. The second half of the 1970s were quite different from the first half...


The funny thing, if memory serves, the original trailers for Star Wars almost came across as the next intellectual science fiction film, with that oh so late 60's early 70's sci fi sound. They really had no idea what in the galaxy they were marketing.

I think most big scores sellers are because of a catchy main theme, using Schiffy's example, (Pink Panther) or because of the associated pop song on the OST. (Titanic)

No one but us weirdo's listens to "background music".

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

No one but us weirdo's listens to "background music"

I'm fairly sure that even here most of my interests fall under that "weirdo" category!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

If recollection serves, that summer the Main Title from Star Wars was all over the radio getting air play. The lesson the studios took away was we should create pop versions so music listeners will really enjoy this stuff. So the Close Encounters album the same year included a single with a pop version of the alien communication music. The next year, they did a pop version of Can You Read My Mind from Superman. Nothing changed with Star Wars from a public standpoint except that people discovered John Williams so he became a "star composer" and therefore a great commercial choice for conducting Pops concerts.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Why did it take John Williams' score to Star Wars to make people(mainstream audiences) more appreciative of film scores?

Because the "Checkmate" LP was already out of print.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 10:08 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

In order to gain popularity, film music has to not only be good (or at least catchy) but also be written for a film that is both popular with audiences, and calls for music which is more noticeable.

Steven Spielberg and George Lucas made very popular movies, and also wanted the music to play a foreground role, so John Williams was able to really show what he could do when scoring their films. Millions of people went to see Jaws, Star Wars and CE3K, and had a memorable experience in which the scores played a major role.

Spielberg and Lucas were also very trend-setting, so John Williams was sought-out by other filmmakers to provide the same type of large-orchestral, "foreground" type of score (thus scores like Superman and Harry Potter also proved popular).

But movies like Diamond Head, The Poseidon Adventure and The Towering Inferno -- though they were very popular -- didn't call on Williams to be as expansive and "in the foreground" as later films, so those earlier scores weren't so noticeable, or interesting on their own (I'm a huge John Williams fan -- and even I never listen to any of those scores).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2018 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

No one but us weirdo's listens to "background music".

I think it´s mainly the idea of orchestral music that does not intrigue the masses.

And those who enjoy classical movies look down on film scores because they are not "the real thing".

So scores fall in a category between popular music and serious music which naturally is a very small one.

However, with concert tours of scores being performed live or "easy listening"-composers like Hans Zimmer bridging the divide between pop song and film score, this genre gets much more attention than before.

But it will always be something for connoisseurs.

 
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