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 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Perhaps Mr. Williams didn't have to compose a "new theme" for Solo. Maybe, just maybe he wrote one for Han back in 1977/1980 for the first films and then didn't find a proper place for it due to story/script changes. Just a thought!

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2018 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Perhaps Mr. Williams didn't have to compose a "new theme" for Solo. Maybe, just maybe he wrote one for Han back in 1977/1980 for the first films and then didn't find a proper place for it due to story/script changes. Just a thought!

Highly doubtful...

If he had, he would have found a place for it in the next 3 movies the character appeared in.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Han Solo finally getting his own theme, and by John Williams, is kind of ironic isn't it! Hasn't it been a bit of an ongoing "joke" of sorts that he didn't have one within the original trilogy? I have a some ideas as to why. In A NEW HOPE, Solo was an outsider. He wasn't a part of the rebellion. He wasn't part of the Empire. He was literally on his own, left to his own devices. He certainly was sympathetic with the rebellion's cause, but he saw the opportunity to help out Luke and Obi-Wan and jumped on it; financial gain was his only real motivation. But Han Solo is ultimately a good guy, and he helps save the day at the very last minute. (I still get chills with that scene.)

In EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, we see Han thick with the rebellion but not beholden to them. He struggles to break loose. It's not until he falls fully in love with Princess Leia that he receives a theme of sorts, but Williams's music is predominantly from Leia's point of view. It's a variant of her original theme from the preceding movie. The theme returns in RETURN OF THE JEDI, and still Han doesn't have his own identifying music. Why is that? Well, because at this point he is too strongly associated as the reluctant rogue who has decided to dedicate himself to the woman he loves and her cause. She is the dominating character ... let's face it, Leia is a force to be reckoned with, and she calls the shots! And by the time of RETURN, too much of the story-line was about resolving the Luke/Vader conflict and just ridding themselves of the Empire once and for all. By that point it was too late to suddenly compose a Solo piece.
Now here's the thing ... maybe if Solo had been killed off in this one, as Harrison Ford has hoped, he may have got some kind of identifying motif. Who knows.... He really didn't even get one in THE FORCE AWAKENS.

But now that he is getting his own movie, now is the time for him to get his own theme. I can't wait to hear it! (And as for The Asteroid Field being used, I am all for it.)

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

The idea that Williams might have written a theme for Solo back in 1976/7 occured to me when I heard he was composing a theme for the Solo movie.

I have no knowledge whatsoever of whether he did or not, but I remember reading that to come up with themes for a film, Williams, like other composers, would write lots of them as possibilities and then discuss them with the director to see which suited.

I imagine it's possible that with such a leitmotif-driven piece as Star Wars, Williams may very well have put something together for Solo, but it was probably rejected by him and Lucas as being too much of a distraction from the core story. By the time Empire comes along, the Love theme takes over and by Jedi Solo is just not important enough to get his own theme amongst everything else going on.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I don't know why it would be any easier to believe that Williams kept a theme in his back pocket for forty-one years, never using it through four films (or any other films, for that matter), than it is to believe what he and others have said publicly: That he's composed a new theme for the new movie.

I think this comes from a fan wish-fulfillment, that a composer can identify the one true series of notes for any character, which would not suit any other, and that this theme in Williams' head has been waiting for its time in the spotlight. It doesn't really work that way.

Williams is protective of "Star Wars." He likes being involved. He composed a new piece of music (in a year when he's not writing anything else for the movies). It really seems as simple as that.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

May i remind you all that for Star Wars Williams didn’t even compose a theme for Vader? That was new with Empire.

Han didn’t need a theme — most likely the film wasn’t even spotted to have one. So why would he even compose it?

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

May i remind you all that for Star Wars Williams didn’t even compose a theme for Vader?

I hate to be that guy but, um, actually:

(From the original LP liner notes)

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I think I might need to add that I can also believe it entirely plausible that Williams didn't write a Solo theme at the time of Star Wars, or any other time, until the one he wrote for Solo.

Interesting from the LP liner notes that Williams hadn't worked with an organized orchestra on a film soundtrack before Star Wars.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

(From the original LP liner notes)


Yeah well, that’s from the guy who wrote Ben’s theme which became ‘the Force theme’ and uses Yoda’s theme when he’s not even close. What does he know?! wink

Kidding aside, I think the book with the Artists-box said different.

 
 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 7:35 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Interesting from the LP liner notes that Williams hadn't worked with an organized orchestra on a film soundtrack before Star Wars.

That caught my eye as well. By "organized" perhaps he means an established ensemble like the LSO, as opposed to a pick-up orchestra as is common for film recordings in Los Angeles (and sometime London as well)?

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2018 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Perhaps Mr. Williams didn't have to compose a "new theme" for Solo. Maybe, just maybe he wrote one for Han back in 1977/1980 for the first films and then didn't find a proper place for it due to story/script changes. Just a thought!

We already discussed this in depth in the other Han Solo theme thread. I was also of the initial opinion that the previous Concert version could have been it but the way it appears now that its whole new game with a premiere release of its own on the cd to boot - could only mean its a brand new theme being added to this corpus of work.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I haven't seen the film yet, but I will get it this Tuesday on Blu-ray!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Pre-ordered and mine arrived today.

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Pre-ordered and mine arrived today.

Graham


Cool! Where did you pre-order it from?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Best Buy

Graham

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

I rather like that Leia has, not one, but three themes, and if you wanted one, you had to go through her (this is considering that I feel the "Main Title" is the Saga theme, and "Binary Sunset" is the Destiny theme).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Highly doubtful that Williams had written this particular theme back in the day, as it sounds VERY much like contemporary Williams (more ostinato- or motif-driven, less of the long-lined themes he did back then).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Not a chance. Williams wrote the theme for the young Han depicted in the movie. Williams just doesn't work like that, and the movies are so different, and I could go on. But the answer is simply no^

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I haven't seen the film yet, but I will get it this Tuesday on Blu-ray!

You haven't seen the film yet?? That surprises me, after all the love you gave The Force Awakens, Rogue one and The Last Jedi. I always figured you for a major Star Wars fan, henry.... cool

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2018 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If you get right down to it, Han is a non-essential character in Star Wars. Thus why he never had a dedicated theme until now.

 
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