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 Posted:   Mar 22, 2003 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Michael Ware   (Member)

I finally saw that idiotic tv show Battlestar Galactica the pilot episode. So the tv show let Baltar live? The theatrical release killed him dead. Just thought I'd share this stirring information.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2003 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Mark Olivarez   (Member)

I dunno, never cared too much for the show. Found it dull.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 22, 2003 - 10:08 PM   
 By:   your_worst_nightmare   (Member)

You'll get your answer in December on Si-fi!! I'm referring to the new miniseries.

Baltar is not on my hit list! smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2003 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Great score by Stu Phillips, though.

I wonder why Glenn A. Larson gets credit for the title theme, though...

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2003 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Galactica is a cherished memory for me and my all-time favorite sci-fi show, bar none. 15 fanfic stories of mine are represented on the net and still counting (and Anne Lockhart remains a crush of mine to this day!). Galactica had its flaws, but it had fascinating characters and back stories, was the first sci-fi series to engage in story arcs and episode continuity since the opening eps. of "Lost In Space", had a terrific score and memorable guest shots by Lloyd Bridges and Patrick Macnee. And the late John Colicos as the villain Baltar (retained in a reshot sequence on the TV version that shows him being spared) was outstanding and is missed by us all.

The Ron Moore "revival" project is universally hated and despised by all true Galactica fans and we wish it nothing but bad luck and swift failure.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 12:49 AM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)

The Ron Moore "revival" project is universally hated and despised by all true Galactica fans and we wish it nothing but bad luck and swift failure.

A new Galactica written and produced even by "Zippy the Wonder Turtle" has got to be better then the original.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Not a chance. His "reinvention" is a piece of crap and an insult to the fans who have kept it a property worth reviving all these yahrens.

Galactica's gotten a bum rap for too many years thanks in large part to the unfair and untrue stigma of being a SW ripoff that had no basis in factual information. For my money, I'll take Galactica's characters over SW's any day of the week.

(See we found a topic other than politics to invite heated discussion!) smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 2:41 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)


The Ron Moore "revival" project is universally hated and despised by all true Galactica fans and we wish it nothing but bad luck and swift failure.


All that makes them are bitter and close minded fanboys and fangirls who should be ignored.

I'm as a big a GALACTICA fan as ANY of them, but I'm open to this new version and wish them the very best.

The only way to bring GALACTICA at this point in time is to keep the basic concept and start from scratch.

Keep the best elements and forget the rest.

I haven't problem with Starbuck being a woman this time around, because it's a whole new ballgame that I'm interested in seeing.

I will reserve judgement until I see the final product.

I have a lot of faith in Ron Morre, who wrote some of the best episodes of both TNG and DS9.


My only comment, BREAK A LEG Mr. Moore.



Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

"All that makes them are bitter and close minded fanboys and fangirls who should be ignored."

Ford, we are the fans who kept Galactica a concept worth reviving all these years, and if you don't make us happy, you might as well have never bothered to do it. And just FYI, the buzz is that already they've been forced to back off from a lot of Moore's idiotic concept (I'm not in a position to say how I know that, but the bottom line is that the fans *did* make an impact on this and God bless them for not keeping silent) The backlash has been bigger than Universal and company realized.

"The only way to bring GALACTICA at this point in time is to keep the basic concept and start from scratch."

Nope. There are only two ways to do it. One is a revival with the original cast and appropriate recasting for those no longer with us, and the second is a "Next Generation" approach set a hundred yahrens later set in the same universe as the TV series. What has kept Galactica viable all these years is because of the way people bonded with the characters as they were developed in the series.

"I have a lot of faith in Ron Morre, who wrote some of the best episodes of both TNG and DS9."

We have read Moore's summary, it stinks, he is not a BG fan, he is an arrogant person foisting his vision that offends all true BG fans and has proved to be very hypersensitive to any criticism. We have the right to exercise our First Amendment rights to say to Universal and to the powers that be what we think of this effort and if it succeeds in getting something that is more respectful of the original series, that will be a cause to rejoice.

And when it comes to Galactica, I can think of a dozen people, including myself, who could write circles around Moore.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

"All that makes them are bitter and close minded fanboys and fangirls who should be ignored."

Ford, we are the fans who kept Galactica a concept worth reviving all these years, and if you don't make us happy, you might as well have never bothered to do it.


Fanboy Rubbish.

I've been a fan since I saw the feature film in Canada in 1978, so forgive me if I think some of these folks bitching are really not worth anyone's time.



"The only way to bring GALACTICA at this point in time is to keep the basic concept and start from scratch."

Nope. There are only two ways to do it.


Well thye aren't doing either way and I agree with this approach is the best way to go at this late date.



"I have a lot of faith in Ron Morre, who wrote some of the best episodes of both TNG and DS9."

We have read Moore's summary, it stinks,



Well, unlike the BSG fanboy nutcases, I'm looking forward to this new version and at the very least will RESERVE JUDGEMENT on it's value until I see the finished product.

Which is the reasonable and adult thing to do.



Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   JeffBond   (Member)

I'll reserve judgement too; I get squeamish whenever I see statements to the effect of "all true fans agree that blah blah blah..." I understand being a fan of BG; I would have been too had I been 12 when it first aired. Unfortunately I was 18 and although it got a little better as it went along (largely due to the efforts of Donald Bellisario), for me it was one of the most disappointing stabs at televised SF ever. Sorry; I can't get the two robots in football helmets played by Ray Bolger and Bobby Van out of my mind...

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

"Fanboy Rubbish."

Nope, the straight truth from those who give a damn about the series and who are the ones responsible for why the property has stayed alive all these years. If Moore wanted to write an original story about a dysfunctional family and warmed over cliches from every other bad piece of sci-fi at the expense of classic Galactica, then he should have given it another name. Leave BG alone.

"I've been a fan since I saw the feature film in Canada in 1978, so forgive me if I think some of these folks bitching are really not worth anyone's time."

So far, it looks as if your wishes on that front aren't going to be respected. The backlash has spread to Universal and Moore's bastardization isn't going to get done the way he envisioned it because the fanbase is mightily pissed off at seeing an outsider with no conception of why the series still reasonates with its fans today, try to reinvent it in his own arrogant image.

"Well, unlike the BSG fanboy nutcases, I'm looking forward to this new version and at the very lesat will RESERVE JUDGEMENT on it's value until I see the finished product."

We already read the script summary and that is more than sufficient for us to make a value judgment of how bad a product it is, Ford. Bad writing smells just as bad on the printed page as it does when acted out on the screen and is not exempt from criticism.

In the meantime Ford, we will exercise our First Amendment rights to let Universal and company know what we think of Moore's arrogant piece of drivel, and if it leads to positive changes, then that will be cause to rejoice.

And BTW Jeff, judging BG based on the worst episode of the series "Greetings From Earth" would be roughly akin to judging classic Trek by "Spock's Brain" and nothing else. Percentage wise, BG turned out just as many good episodes as classic Trek did with "Living Legend", "War Of The Gods", "Lost Planet Of The Gods" and the magnificent last episode "The Hand Of God."

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Yes, enough of this condemnation without seeing the product first.

It was bad enough when fanboys who vowed never to see it began giving the "1776" DVD lousy reviews, but "Battlestar Galactica" CAN be improved upon. Why don't we WAIT AND SEE FIRST!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   Ed Kattak   (Member)

I'll reserve judgement too; I get squeamish whenever I see statements to the effect of "all true fans agree that blah blah blah..." I understand being a fan of BG; I would have been too had I been 12 when it first aired. Unfortunately I was 18 and although it got a little better as it went along (largely due to the efforts of Donald Bellisario), for me it was one of the most disappointing stabs at televised SF ever. Sorry; I can't get the two robots in football helmets played by Ray Bolger and Bobby Van out of my mind...

So, that would make you over 40 years old?

Jeez, you look younger than that. Kudos to you if you have some kind of hidden fountain of youth secret.

I want some.

Truly Gau Jus
Ed

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

"Yes, enough of this condemnation without seeing the product first."

As I said, bad scripts can be criticized in the printed format just as much as they can when they are depicted, and there is no reason why those who dislike a bad script should keep silent when their voice has an opportunity to make an impact on what ultimately gets made (and as I've said, the buzz is that the impact is beginning to be felt). The First Amendment has yet to be repealed in that area.

And BTW, the only way one has to judge the badness of the 1776 DVD is to dub the LD and hack out the appropriate sections.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

"Fanboy Rubbish."

Nope, the straight truth from those who give a damn about the series and who are the ones responsible for why the property has stayed alive all these years.endquote]


Get a life Already!


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Yes, enough of this condemnation without seeing the product first.

It was bad enough when fanboys who vowed never to see it began giving the "1776" DVD lousy reviews, but "Battlestar Galactica" CAN be improved upon. Why don't we WAIT AND SEE FIRST!


Agreed.

(and how often do Ron and I agree on anything?)

:-)



Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

By the lords of Kobol, I personally expect the BG miniseries to be a life-defining event for me. I will stay home from work on the air dates and watch all of the original series episodes. I will make sure I have enough beer to get me through the show, and sit in my underwear, glued to the screen. Even if I have to pee real bad from all the beer, I won't leave the TV. And damn it, I fully expect Lorne Greene to make a cameo appearance. And if Stu Philip's theme isn't on the main title, I will go back and dub it later.

Those colonial vipers better look like colonial vipers, that's all I can say. Centons are ticking away. Maybe a shot by shot remake (like PSYCHO) would be the safest route to go.

Frack! If this thing doesn't live up to my standards, I say we lock Ron Moore and Michael Moore together in a room.

Roger

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

deleted, redundant quote.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Has the property in fact "stayed alive" all these years? I'm of course aware it has a following (what sci-fi series doesn't?), but I didn't think it had a huge buzz or anything like that. Perhaps I missed it.

I personally don't profess to know about the remake. On the one hand, I have to admit I actually find the proposed changes intriguing, just from the sound of them (though I've not read the actual script(s)); on the other, my impression of Ron Moore is that he's a hack, pure and simple, and could easily botch any premise no matter how much potential it holds. Ah, well... I guess we'll see.

 
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