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 Posted:   Mar 29, 2003 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

The agreement between New York's Cablevision and George Steinbrenner's YES network has fallen apart like ace reliever Mariano Rivera's pitching arm.

Two days before the start of the 2003 baseball season, YES has abrogated the interim agreement hammered out between them and Cablevision, after trying to insert into that agreement additional terms favorable to itself, as well as scotch the right of the previously agreed-upon outside arbitrator to examine YES's books to determine the appropriate per-subscriber fee that Cablevision would have paid the network when their long-term deal took effect.

Though YES CEO Leo Hindery is nominally the one who pulled the plug, there's clear evidence that the order to back out, wring more money from a deal at least one of the parties had negotiated in good faith, and betray Yankee fans, came right from the top of the Yankee hierarchy...and you know whom I mean.

Yankee fans should seriously reconsider their devotion to this malevolent organization and, instead, look southeast, to the friendly Borough of Queens, where the local team (playing their infinitely superior brand of designated hitter-less National League baseball) appears, regularly and without controvery), on Fox Sports.

Batter up!

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2003 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

That's just warmed over Mike Lupica as far as placing all the blame on George goes, and Lupica ceased to have any credibility a long time ago.

Both sides are equally at fault for what's gone on, and anyone who tries to let greedy Cablevision off the hook is engaging in thick coats of whitewash. Every other cable company in the New York area had the sense to offer YES at a basic rate....except Cablevision. Spiteful decisions that help no one is to be expected though from the idiot owners who have shown with the Knicks and the Rangers that unlike Steinbrenner, they don't know the first thing about how to run a sports team and bring in a winner.

At any rate, the Yankee fans will just keep listening to the one team in New York that gets results done (unlike that other team that last year gave us a funny repeat of their 1992 season) on WCBS radio. wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2003 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

It occurs to me that since the 2002 Mets gave us a repeat of their 1992 season (Rotisserie League team falls on its face), then for 2003 which Met player will throw firecrackers or squirt bleach on reporters? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

What's spiteful is for George and YES to bully cable systems to raise the basic cable rate for all their customers to subsidize those customers who actually want the service.

I'm no fan of cable-TV operators, but at least part of the reason for Cablevision's decision to dig in its heels is that no one should have to pay for something they don't want.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The spite is Cablevision insisting that those who want YES should have been forced to pay an additional $10 per month to their bill for something that the majority of customers would regard as a basic service. And their ads last year insisting that you could find 20 Yankee games on Cablevision as if they were being big enough to carry it, when everyone with a TV set got those games was nothing short of flat-out deception on their part.

Cablevision has in the past also jerked around subscribers with exorbitant hikes regarding MSG and Fox Sportsnet and the reason why they have chosen to stand out apart from other cable companies is because they do not believe in equal competition between their pet channels and a rival channel, since they know that because the Yankees are more popular the ratings for MSG and Fox Sportsnet would suffer. And since YES is affiliated or soon will be affiliated with the local basketball and hockey teams that play meaningful games in May, while Cablevision is the incompetent owner of the Knicks and Rangers, their spiteful strategy is all the more evident.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

That's Bush League logic (and totally bogus statistics).

Cablevision was to charge $4.95 for the full package of YES, FSNY and MSG, or $1.95 per channel, plus the cost of replacing the cable box. Customers who already subscribed to premium-levels of service would get the sports channels, including YES, at no additional charge.

The mediators who brokered the original deal, and who were accepted by both parties, lay the blame and considerable bad-faith squarely at the feet of George Steinbrenner and the investment firm of Goldman Sachs, which owns 40% of YES.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa had hailed the deal as the first step toward cable-TV providers offering their channel line-ups on an a la carte basis, rather than in packages that saddle customers with all sorts of channels they don't want. As such, Steinbrenner and Goldman Sachs's greed will, in the long run, possibly cost all U.S. cable subscribers money and freedom of choice.

I guess, Eric, that you and Steinbrenner, and Goldman Sachs think think it's fair for people who don't want something to subsidize the cost of something for those who do want it.

By that logic, your tax money would be well-spent on providing abortions for poor women who can't afford them...

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

"That's Bush League logic (and totally bogus statistics)."

The $10 premium like that of an HBO was what they wanted to gouge their customers with last year. Which is what made them so utterly unique among cable companies.

Cablevision was the side that started this mess because of their crybaby spite one year ago. Since they've proved they can't operate a sports franchise with any degree of competency, small wonder they can't serve their customers with any degree of competency either.

And since I have respect for the rules of this forum, I will not rise to the bait on your purposefully OT political aside.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Oh, I see, the mediators in the original deal are lying about Steinbrenner's and Goldman's part in the contract flip-flops.

Eric, if you fired a gun whose bullet went through twelve people, you'd complain that it was their fault for getting in the way.

Nothing ever deviates from your narrow, carefully-planned view of the Universe.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

My reference is regard to who started this crisis one year ago. We should never have been in a position to see this mediated farce because 12 months ago, Cablevision should have been big enough to do what every other regional cable company in the NY area did. Steinbrenner may indeed bear responsibility for this deal falling apart, but on the matter of who caused this crisis in the first place, the fault is solely Cablevision's.

You kept asking why Yankee fans should support the "malevolent organization". My question is, why anyone should make heroes out of the clowns who have produced the longest post-season drought in Rangers history and have made the Knicks the number two basketball team in the area? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Why shouldn't YES, more than a year ago, have been "big enough" to offer Cablevision and all other cable companies terms that're in line with reality and what other cable channels charge per subscriber?

YES started out by asking for the Moon, and lot of timid cable systems, afraid of losing customers, simply caved-in, even at the cost of alienating subscribers who didn't want the service (figuring, cynically, that hey, we're always raising our rates, anyway; the customers bitch, but they end up paying -- surely part of YES's strategy). Cablevision said, simply, that no one was going to dictate to them how they run their own business, and I say, more power to 'em.

What happened that that rock-ribbed Republican faith in the marketplace, Eric -- sellers have the right to ask for whatever price they want, and buyers have the right to say "no"?

I'll bet that you felt the same way when Enron and Duke Power were gouging their customers in California. After all, the consumers always had the right to say "no" and disconnect their electrical lines...

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 9:12 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Cablevision cared nothing about customers and everything about getting even with the Yankees and hoping to preserve their monopoly on sports programming (which they evidently think is a divine right of theirs.)

If this were happening to Met fans instead of Yankee fans original, you would be singing a quite different tune. I think your sudden admiration for corporate monopoly and greed on the part of a cable company wanting to gouge their customers just because they're mad that George decided not to be bound to MSG any longer would evaporate. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

It's George's gouging; he thinks the whole world's wired to his whims (by George, how alliterative! Doubly alliterative!).

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2003 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Gee, and I thought the problem with George (so they said) was because he spent too much of his own money. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Whre do you think the money comes from, Eric? He spends too much of the sucker fans' money.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

And he takes that money from the fans and puts it back into the team to give the fans a winning product, which is a lot more than I can say of cheapskate owners who prefer to pocket the money they gouge fans of for their own personal use to cover operating losses. Like it or not, Steinbrenner gives the fans what fans want to see which is winning baseball and more power to the owner who does that! smile

But if you're so upset about where Steinbrenner gets his money, where's your like outrage over where Cablevision gets its money to make bad teams out of the Rangers and Knicks? smile (Last I checked, a ticket at Yankee Stadium is still less than a ticket at the Garden)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

You talk of hockey and basketball as though they were even remotely important -- unlike baseball, which is truly cosmic, and only played in its correct, pure form in the National League.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Nice way of evasion but it simply points out how inconsistent your standards of outrage are since Cablevision far exceeds Steinbrenner in terms of greed, gouging etc. and they also suffer from the problem of being incompetent owners of sports franchises .

Of course if we do want to talk about incompetent baseball owners, I think most fans would prefer the results George has achieved then Nelson and Freddie ever did and have done. wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2003 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Looks like this is not your day, original. The YES deal is back on once again (so much for your rantings there) and that other New York team fell on its face big time! wink

Now let's see if the Yankees make it a clean sweep of bad news for you! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Confronted by evidence and blamed by the impartial mediators for undermining the deal it had earlier struck with Cablevision, YES has again agreed to terms virtually identical to the earlier arrangement.

You always seem to hitch your little wagon to the shadiest stars, Eric.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2003 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Actually more favorable to YES from my sketchy understanding, but at any rate at least my parents don't have to pay the $10 rate Cablevision wanted to gouge them with one year ago.

I only hitch myself to those who represent greatness. wink The Yankees will forever symbolize that in baseball and all of sports.

 
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