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 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I noticed today that Hulu posted the entire run of M*A*S*H in HD.

At first, I was thrilled. Then I played one.

The entire series has been cropped to 16x9.

You can see below the image has been cropped vertically, but horizontally it's a bit wider than before - note the man standing left of the stretcher bearer who isn't visible in the 4x3 transfer.

Thoughts?





 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

Personally i hate it when they do this. Leave it as it was filmed. Don't stretch or crop the image to suit modern TVs. TVs are so big now anyway you'd still get a big picture, anyway.

If they did it with Columbo, i'd be very angry and not watch it/buy it.

I take it they're only doing this because in general people wouldn't understand why there were black bars on either side of the screen to make the square and would complain about it?

Oh wait, but how on the MASH image is it wider? Was it shot on film and masked off for TV or something? and this is simply a different masking or whatever you'd call it?

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

A shame really. Thankfully, the DVDs are reasonably good.

In other news, Hello again Mr. Sarge. I only met you the one time in L.A. back in 2011, but to this day I am reminded - as I remind my friends - of what a great fellow you are. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It's my understanding for broadcast and streaming most remastered series are re-cropped for wide screen televisions. However physical releases and most digital purchases are in their original aspect ratio.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I've been watching the current run of "Perry Mason" on the MeTV channel in my area. All the episodes are cropped for widescreen TVs, but none of them look poorly framed to me that way. It seems like a preposterous notion, but I wonder if many older television series were possibly framed by their cinematographers to look acceptable in some future widescreen format.

I notice that they've moved the position of the clock in that MASH frame to accommodate the cropping.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I believe Lost In Space was filmed in a wider aspect ratio. I though I read you could see set equipment in the frames before it was cropped for television.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I believe Lost In Space was filmed in a wider aspect ratio. I though I read you could see set equipment in the frames before it was cropped for television.


That seems silly. I don't know why you would film it in ratio in which it could never be shown, without revealing extraneous image.

 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2018 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

On a tangent, I watched MISTER ROBERTS (1955) the other day, and was struck how the humor reminded me of the MASH tv series (or vice versa). Whereas the movie MASH never reminded me of the show.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The old one looks clearer than the HD one, too.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I hate that shit. I get it if a show was composed for 4:3 but framed 16:9 to protect for future widescreen broadcast. In that case, fine, do what you need to do I guess. But seriously. Especially in older shows that were never intended in any way for 16:9. Preserve the original composition. Or at least offer that option.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Ugh. I hate when they do this. It was never intended to look this way. Home video releases are getting stupid too. Freaks & Geeks is available on Blu-ray, but it's double the price it should be since you're buying two versions in the set: one is 1.33:1 and the other is 1.78:1. Again, it was never intended to be seen that way. I'm thrilled they knew there would be hell to pay if it was done to Star Trek.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Ugh. I hate when they do this. It was never intended to look this way. Home video releases are getting stupid too. Freaks & Geeks is available on Blu-ray, but it's double the price it should be since you're buying two versions in the set: one is 1.33:1 and the other is 1.78:1. Again, it was never intended to be seen that way. I'm thrilled they knew there would be hell to pay if it was done to Star Trek.

According to the show runner, Freaks was shot widescreen but broadcast 4:3.

But for shows that were not shot wide and are then cropped for widescreen TVs, haaate it. Who would have thought years ago when I was griping about widescreen films being panned and scanned that I would in the future be griping about 4:3 shows being hacked.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

What is ironic and especially maddening is EVERYBOPDY WATCHES EVERYTHING in 16:9 anyway!
Even standard 1;33 shows . People just hit zoom/stretch/full screen.


damn you! damn you all to hell!

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Ugh. I hate when they do this. It was never intended to look this way. Home video releases are getting stupid too. Freaks & Geeks is available on Blu-ray, but it's double the price it should be since you're buying two versions in the set: one is 1.33:1 and the other is 1.78:1. Again, it was never intended to be seen that way. I'm thrilled they knew there would be hell to pay if it was done to Star Trek.

According to the show runner, Freaks was shot widescreen but broadcast 4:3.

But for shows that were not shot wide and are then cropped for widescreen TVs, haaate it. Who would have thought years ago when I was griping about widescreen films being panned and scanned that I would in the future be griping about 4:3 shows being hacked.


Documentaries are the worst.
Cant bare to watch ;em anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2018 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Ugh. I hate when they do this. It was never intended to look this way. Home video releases are getting stupid too. Freaks & Geeks is available on Blu-ray, but it's double the price it should be since you're buying two versions in the set: one is 1.33:1 and the other is 1.78:1. Again, it was never intended to be seen that way. I'm thrilled they knew there would be hell to pay if it was done to Star Trek.

According to the show runner, Freaks was shot widescreen but broadcast 4:3.


That's been standard for a while now. That's why Friends is 16:9 in HD. It's also why light stands and and various other things not meant to be seen are visible if you keep your eyes peeled. It's the TV version of Super 35. It was shot like that, but it's not how the DP composed it. Regardless, putting both versions in the set and doubling the price is nothing more than a way to inflate the price with something no one asked for.

 
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