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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: Erich Wolfgang Korngold and the scoring of JUAREZ   Last Post   Posted:   Aug 14, 2018 - 8:20 PM     By:   Jameson281   (Member) Sorry if this has been posted previously, but thought this might be of interest: In 1939, Photoplay included a long article on the making of JUAREZ which devoted several paragraphs to Korngold and his score. See the relevant section here: https://archive.org/stream/photopla15chic#page/n85/mode/1up    Posted:   Aug 14, 2018 - 9:21 PM     By:   John B. Archibald   (Member) JUAREZ wad originally supposed to be a roadshow. The published screenplay has scenes not in the present version of the film. The music tracks exist, but have never been commercially released. Too bad, because it’s one of Korngold’s best.    Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:14 AM     By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member) JUAREZ wad originally supposed to be a roadshow. The published screenplay has scenes not in the present version of the film. The music tracks exist, but have never been commercially released. Too bad, because it’s one of Korngold’s best. The original music tracks have been commercially released here in Europe on a Tsunami CD (soundwise much better and with less compression than the earlier Korngold CDs on that label) and if you remember it we have already talked about it on this board just two years ago: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=113421&archive=0 This double CD (which also contains the almost complete original PRINCE AND THE PAUPER as well as those surviving 15 minutes from BETWEEN TWO WORLDS which have been mentioned in the "BETWEEN TWO WORLDS" thread on this board during the last few days) is a bit hard to get nowadays, but for example still available at a very cheap price at Rosebud in Spain: http://www.rosebudbandasonora.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=29&products_id=23074&osCsid= I would say that my comments about it from 2016 are still valid: "Even 10 years have now gone by since that really quite good Tsunami release of JUAREZ/PRINCE AND THE PAUPER/BETWEEN TWO WORLDS so that I am happy that at least this double CD exists, or who wants to wait for another 10 years for an official US release which maybe won't even happen anymore and which in addition won't sound much better anyway?"    Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 7:47 AM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) Juarez is one of the Warner films cut for double feature reissue. the original running time is 132 min. The warner archiue dvd is just 120 min.    Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 7:50 AM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) Juarez is one of the Warner films cut for double feature reissue. the original running time is 132 min. The warner archiue dvd is just 120 min.    Posted:   Aug 16, 2018 - 1:31 AM     By:   Stefan Gritscher   (Member) JUAREZ wad originally supposed to be a roadshow. The published screenplay has scenes not in the present version of the film. The music tracks exist, but have never been commercially released. Too bad, because it’s one of Korngold’s best. The original music tracks have been commercially released here in Europe on a Tsunami CD (soundwise much better and with less compression than the earlier Korngold CDs on that label) and if you remember it we have already talked about it on this board just two years ago: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=113421&archive=0 This double CD (which also contains the almost complete original PRINCE AND THE PAUPER as well as those surviving 15 minutes from BETWEEN TWO WORLDS which have been mentioned in the "BETWEEN TWO WORLDS" thread on this board during the last few days) is a bit hard to get nowadays, but for example still available at a very cheap price at Rosebud in Spain: http://www.rosebudbandasonora.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=29&products_id=23074&osCsid= I would say that my comments about it from 2016 are still valid: "Even 10 years have now gone by since that really quite good Tsunami release of JUAREZ/PRINCE AND THE PAUPER/BETWEEN TWO WORLDS so that I am happy that at least this double CD exists, or who wants to wait for another 10 years for an official US release which maybe won't even happen anymore and which in addition won't sound much better anyway?" I absolutely agree with you, Stefan - a reissue is longtime overdue! In my opinion this score is the most underrated work in the Korngold score pantheon- very operatic (think of Carlotta´s prayer in the chapell which plays out like a rezitativo - the "Violanta" treatment of "La Paloma" and there is even a actual tenor-Solo in the revolution scene). Please also do not forget the Austrian context to the storyline (Maximilian was the brother of Franz Joseph of Austria) which must have put this project very close to E.W.´s heart! I performed the "Archduke Maximilian fanfare" with my concert band this year. - The fanfare is only short of a minute long, but to many of my musicians indeed this is a favourite. When I hear them humming the catchy main theme, this really goes deep inside... (I´m Austrian, you know ) My friend Bill Wrobel posted a video of our performance on youtube which may be of interest to you - here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yWcOEpUkGU    Posted:   Aug 16, 2018 - 5:12 AM     By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member) Thanks Stefan for the Youtube link with your concert band arrangement of the Korngold fanfare. Very nice indeed. I am sure that a reissue of this Korngold double CD here in Germany won´t happen anymore as the times of the Tsunami label are long over and also retailers like SAE in the USA wouldn´t sell such a CD - which for them is of course a boot - nowadays.    Posted:   Aug 16, 2018 - 6:13 AM     By:   jkannry   (Member) JUAREZ wad originally supposed to be a roadshow. The published screenplay has scenes not in the present version of the film. The music tracks exist, but have never been commercially released. Too bad, because it’s one of Korngold’s best. The original music tracks have been commercially released here in Europe on a Tsunami CD (soundwise much better and with less compression than the earlier Korngold CDs on that label) and if you remember it we have already talked about it on this board just two years ago: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=1&threadID=113421&archive=0 This double CD (which also contains the almost complete original PRINCE AND THE PAUPER as well as those surviving 15 minutes from BETWEEN TWO WORLDS which have been mentioned in the "BETWEEN TWO WORLDS" thread on this board during the last few days) is a bit hard to get nowadays, but for example still available at a very cheap price at Rosebud in Spain: http://www.rosebudbandasonora.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=29&products_id=23074&osCsid= I would say that my comments about it from 2016 are still valid: "Even 10 years have now gone by since that really quite good Tsunami release of JUAREZ/PRINCE AND THE PAUPER/BETWEEN TWO WORLDS so that I am happy that at least this double CD exists, or who wants to wait for another 10 years for an official US release which maybe won't even happen anymore and which in addition won't sound much better anyway?" Well not exactly regarding Rosebud. No answers for somewhat broken website and promise of paypal that doesnt work. Got item in my cart but now when click on item says not found. Groan. Any other sites you recommend.? Really like to get a copy.    Posted:   Aug 16, 2018 - 7:37 AM     By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member) Well not exactly regarding Rosebud. No answers for somewhat broken website and promise of paypal that doesnt work. Got item in my cart but now when click on item says not found. Groan. Any other sites you recommend.? Really like to get a copy. Sorry to hear that about the Rosebud website. It´s really difficult to find that CD nowadays, but I see that on the French Priceminister website you can still buy a copy. Good luck: https://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/1815772230/juarez-the-prince-and-the-pauper-2-cd-set-erich-wolfgang-korngold.html    Posted:   Aug 16, 2018 - 8:11 AM     By:   joec   (Member) JUAREZ wad originally supposed to be a roadshow. The published screenplay has scenes not in the present version of the film. The music tracks exist, but have never been commercially released. Too bad, because it’s one of Korngold’s best. Juarez WAS a roadshow. It was cut down for general release. Not sure if the roadshow version is still available. All video versions to date have been on the general release version.    Posted:   Aug 16, 2018 - 2:59 PM     By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member) I would love to see this film. No luck finding it in the library, though.    Posted:   Aug 17, 2018 - 8:51 AM     By:   jkannry   (Member) Well not exactly regarding Rosebud. No answers for somewhat broken website and promise of paypal that doesnt work. Got item in my cart but now when click on item says not found. Groan. Any other sites you recommend.? Really like to get a copy. Sorry to hear that about the Rosebud website. It´s really difficult to find that CD nowadays, but I see that on the French Priceminister website you can still buy a copy. Good luck: https://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/1815772230/juarez-the-prince-and-the-pauper-2-cd-set-erich-wolfgang-korngold.html Well the Rosebud adventure continues. Finally got in touch to with me after a Spanish bank holiday. Oddly yesterday the website indicated it was out of stock in my cart but today indicated in stock. I placed the order and will see. They have numerous problems on the website including an inability to register in English, and oddly when I placed the order I found another address on my account which I just created a day ago. Googled and its a real person. If order fails I’ll try the French website or another website I found. I’ll keep you posted through here unless you’d prefer to do it by email    Posted:   Aug 17, 2018 - 10:42 AM     By:   Rozsaphile   (Member) It's an impressive film in many ways, but curiously out of balance with its own title. The picture could as easily have been called MAXIMILIAN or (following the source novel) THE PHANTOM CROWN. It begins with Napoleon's imperialistic appointment of a Viennese prince as "emperor" of Mexico and ends with the latter's execution. The tragic character of Maximilian is depicted with more sympathy than the title figure played by Paul Muni in heavy "waxworks" makeup. Brian Aherne is the one who earned the acting nomination. It was in the supporting category, though I suspect he had more screen time than Muni. I suppose the post-release editing had something to do with the film's curious tilt. Korngold's score inescapably and rightly emphasizes the Austrian character of the court. I'd love to hear more of this splendid music -- but only a modern recording can do justice to Korngold's brilliant orchestral textures. For now we have the Koch album and of course the magnificent Violin Concerto.    Posted:   Aug 17, 2018 - 12:09 PM     By:   tiomkinfan   (Member) To David in Berkeley: You can find Juarez, the 120 minute general release version, on the Warner Archive website. Oldies.com is currently running a sale on the archive titles, so you might be able to get it a a reasonable cost. Worth checking out.    Posted:   Aug 18, 2018 - 4:31 AM     By:   juansaiji   (Member) In Rosebud you can buy this CD without problem. http://www.rosebudbandasonora.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_184&products_id=23074 Payment with Paypal can not be made automatically. First we check that the CDs that are purchased are available, then we send the amount and, if you want to pay with paypal, we authorize the payment. Rosebud has a very large catalog and we need to verify that the purchased items are available, before making the payment.    Posted:   Aug 18, 2018 - 6:26 PM     By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member) To David in Berkeley: You can find Juarez, the 120 minute general release version, on the Warner Archive website. Oldies.com is currently running a sale on the archive titles, so you might be able to get it a a reasonable cost. Worth checking out. http://oldies.com/product-view/1818ED.html $15 clams. At those rates, I'd rather rent than own.    Posted:   Aug 18, 2018 - 11:11 PM     By:   Zoragoth   (Member) To David in Berkeley: You can find Juarez, the 120 minute general release version, on the Warner Archive website. Oldies.com is currently running a sale on the archive titles, so you might be able to get it a a reasonable cost. Worth checking out. http://oldies.com/product-view/1818ED.html $15 clams. At those rates, I'd rather rent than own. Pick it up for 11 clams when Warner next has its '4 for $44' sale. Applies to blu-rays too! I got a copy of JUAREZ from Warner Archive and found it compelling and well-acted (to say nothing about the score) - well worth owning. Brian Aherne is marvelously sympathetic as Maximillian. What a strange bit of history this film captures!    Posted:   Aug 25, 2018 - 6:52 AM     By:   jkannry   (Member) Well not exactly regarding Rosebud. No answers for somewhat broken website and promise of paypal that doesnt work. Got item in my cart but now when click on item says not found. Groan. Any other sites you recommend.? Really like to get a copy. Sorry to hear that about the Rosebud website. It´s really difficult to find that CD nowadays, but I see that on the French Priceminister website you can still buy a copy. Good luck: https://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/1815772230/juarez-the-prince-and-the-pauper-2-cd-set-erich-wolfgang-korngold.html Well the Rosebud adventure continues. Finally got in touch to with me after a Spanish bank holiday. Oddly yesterday the website indicated it was out of stock in my cart but today indicated in stock. I placed the order and will see. They have numerous problems on the website including an inability to register in English, and oddly when I placed the order I found another address on my account which I just created a day ago. Googled and its a real person. If order fails I’ll try the French website or another website I found. I’ll keep you posted through here unless you’d prefer to do it by email Well thanks to a Spanish bank holiday getting in way responses were delayed. They are fixing web site problems. I was not hacked. Got to order cd via PayPal as described above. Got confirmation on shipping. Lucky I snagged it in cart while waited for responses. Since then site says item not found. Assuming last copy and looking forward to getting. Best way to get in touch with them is email address on site and not web form.    Posted:   Aug 25, 2018 - 7:04 AM     By:   Doug Raynes   (Member) It's available as a download from Amazon uk: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juarez-Original-Movie-Sound-Track/dp/B014ECX7EK/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1535202041&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=juarez+korngold     General Discussion: Erich Wolfgang Korngold and the scoring of JUAREZ    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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