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 Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

This holy grail title - and a Goldsmith title - should have 1000 posts, not 130 posts. Sad. Maybe Jerry's fans are dying off. On the good side maybe it's a wake-up call to labels that they can't rely on Goldsmith to be a cash cow, and they should start looking at other composers, like my unsung favorites. wink

Goldsmith fans aren't dying off, but many of them are probably a bit more selective about what they purchase, especially with so many great (and expensive) titles being released by all the niche labels in recent months. A Goldsmith score from an obscure 70's supernatural horror movie doesn't have the broad appeal of a relatively recent titles like The Mummy or Small Soldiers. I certainly enjoy Peter Proud but I can understand how it won't appeal to all JG fans out there.


That's a contradiction in terms - a Goldsmith fan wants everything by Goldsmith. The composer generates interest in the film, not the other way around. Why suddenly get choosy? And this is a holy grail by any standards, Goldsmith fan or not. Fans of only post 1980s movies might be a different breed of fan. I wonder if DAMNATION ALLEY sold much better.


I'm not a fan of generalizations and I think there are Goldsmith fans who might own 50-60 of his albums, who don't have an interest in PETER PROUD and could still be called a "Goldsmith fan". Let's not start being gatekeepers of fandom and rule that the only true Goldsmith fan is someone who wants to every single note, because that's an absolute that I can't subscribe to. Even though I'm an ardent Goldsmith nut who seeks out pretty much everything the man composed, I'm still okay with not owning MR BASEBALL in my collection.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

This holy grail title - and a Goldsmith title - should have 1000 posts, not 130 posts. Sad. Maybe Jerry's fans are dying off. On the good side maybe it's a wake-up call to labels that they can't rely on Goldsmith to be a cash cow, and they should start looking at other composers, like my unsung favorites. wink

?????

This was a grail for a cult within a.cult.
I have more Goldsmith than any composer in my collection and I had no knowledge of this score.
After listening, a I decided I would rather save my money for THRILLER v.2. or DAMNATION
Not that it isn't good..just not a must have

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I am a connoisseur...not a collector!





"Bottle caps. Damn bottlecops!".
- Gerald Goldsmith

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

That's a contradiction in terms - a Goldsmith fan wants everything by Goldsmith. The composer generates interest in the film, not the other way around. Why suddenly get choosy? And this is a holy grail by any standards, Goldsmith fan or not. Fans of only post 1980s movies might be a different breed of fan. I wonder if DAMNATION ALLEY sold much better.

I'm not a fan of generalizations and I think there are Goldsmith fans who might own 50-60 of his albums, who don't have an interest in PETER PROUD and could still be called a "Goldsmith fan". Let's not start being gatekeepers of fandom and rule that the only true Goldsmith fan is someone who wants to every single note, because that's an absolute that I can't subscribe to. Even though I'm an ardent Goldsmith nut who seeks out pretty much everything the man composed, I'm still okay with not owning MR BASEBALL in my collection.


I'm not making any rules. The Goldsmith fans here are pretty outspoken about being Goldsmith fans, not casual fans. It's a fair bet they would be interested. Also, repeating myself, this is a holy grail outside of the composer so there should be that interest. 130 posts is pretty low, all things considered. There are some "deleted" threads that probably get more views.
Among Jerry fans, I wonder if there's a timeline division, like pre-1980s and post-1980s fans.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 6:50 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Among Jerry fans, I wonder if there's a timeline division, like pre-1980s and post-1980s fans.

I'm sure there is. I'm a huge Goldsmith fan, and I love "Peter Proud," and will listen to it much more often than "The Mummy" (which exhausts me) and "Small Soldiers" (which is fun but will never be a favorite). But I also know that "Proud" is a film few have seen (including me), and I'm sure some were concerned about the sound quality, too.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2019 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Considering this was virtually a lost film until finally premiered on disc just this past year, I'd say 130 posts here is pretty damn good! I mean, compare the number of posts with the typical Intrada release (particularly from the 70s) and you'll see it's far above average for something that's not a huge blockbuster like Apollo 13...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2019 - 12:28 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)

I am a connoisseur...not a collector!
"Bottle caps. Damn bottlecops!".
- Gerald Goldsmith


Yes, except that "Peter Proud" is precisely a music for connoisseurs, it's not such a trivial music as Mr Baseball or others. Of course we all have the right to like it or not, but I would not be surprised if Goldsmith considered this score as very good, and the absence of an official edition (until then) had generated a particular expectation among the "old" amateurs of the composer. For me this is a much more interesting edition, musically and historically, than The Mummy or most of the scores from the 90's.

However, measuring the interest of an edition by the number of posts generated is misleading, because the longest topics are often lost in irrelevant considerations.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2019 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Loving this.

Graham

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2019 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

"True fans".

That's a phrase uttered by moronic sports fans, not cultured score fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2019 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Considering this was virtually a lost film until finally premiered on disc just this past year, I'd say 130 posts here is pretty damn good! I mean, compare the number of posts with the typical Intrada release (particularly from the 70s) and you'll see it's far above average for something that's not a huge blockbuster like Apollo 13...

Yavar


I would concur with that assessment. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2019 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Considering this was virtually a lost film until finally premiered on disc just this past year, I'd say 130 posts here is pretty damn good! I mean, compare the number of posts with the typical Intrada release (particularly from the 70s) and you'll see it's far above average for something that's not a huge blockbuster like Apollo 13...

Yavar


I would concur with that assessment. smile

Greg Espinoza


"London after Midnight"(1927) is a lost film. PROUD was released on VHS tape so it was never 'virtually lost' - more like forgotten, like most movies as time goes on. Anyone looking for films scored by Goldsmith (and/or horror fans) could find a grey market copy or upload somewhere. Plus there was a boot of the soundtrack, so it was a known quantity. However, given it's age, the music was a holy grail. It's been mentioned in threads over the years as such. This was the same situation for "Lonely are the Brave" except maybe that was shown on TV a few more times. Then Spielberg wanted a clip from that, found out it was never released on dvd, and requested the studio to do it.
I wasn't and wouldnt compare PROUD to relatively new film scores, and for the same reason, I'm not sure it matters that the dvd/bluray was just released. Younger fans seem to like his post-1980s scores more. At least that's what gets more enthusiasm here. I'm not sure why the THRILLER re-recordings were so popular, considering how the musically similar, oft-requested grail "List of Adrian Messenger" didn't seem to get much fanfare upon release.

 
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