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 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

.'Journey to Scaramanga's Island'.. Magic!!


!


The only REALLY GOOD track on the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Disappointed that John Barry didn't like it but I've never understood the hate for this score. I think its far more interesting and inventive that say (apart from the main theme..) OHMSS.
Love all the funhouse stuff and the exotic flavours of the music.'Journey to Scaramanga's Island'.. Magic!!
Loved the film as well.Bring on the expansion!


!!!

Had you mentioned, maybe, Octopussy, okay, but...

Far more interesting and inventive than say...John Barry's magnum opus??!

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

For the time being, I think we can safely forget about getting any more John Barry James Bond scores expanded.

Mark my words, the Bond scores of every other Bond composer will get expanded long before you see any more expanded Barry.

I see all the David Arnold scores getting expanded.

I see all the Thomas Newman scores getting expanded.

I see the Kamen score getting expanded.

I even see the Serra score getting expanded.

And I'll bet The Spy Who Loved Me will get more support for an expansion than any Barry Bond score.

In fact, I think in twenty years time, when the old duffers like me are out of the way, John Barry will be remembered as the worst of the composers who ever wrote for a James Bond film and his scores will be remembered as the worst scores.

He's already considered to be the worst of the song writers and I bet if you put up a poll of the best James Bond soundtracks to the public (not FSM subscribers), I'll bet you'll find not a single James Bond score prior to 1989 in the top ten.

We're lucky for what we got in 2003, that was an anomoly of timing and the right people having the right influence with the right people at the right time.

Of course, personally, I think The Man With The Golden Gun, Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill are the four most wanted expanded Barry scores, but that's because I'm a boring old duffer who hasn't worked out yet that this music was really shit and only everything written from 1989 onwards was any good.

I am being sarcastic of course.

Except the bit about betting we'll never see any more expanded Barry Bond scores. Of that, I'm sure.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

In fact, I think in twenty years time, when the old duffers like me are out of the way, John Barry will be remembered as the worst of the composers who ever wrote for a James Bond film and his scores will be remembered as the worst scores.

If The Man with the Golden Gun is to be held up as the high-water mark of his 007 career, then yes, they surely will!

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I will say it again..
I am HAPPY with my 007 score collection on cd.
Anything new is just the cherry on the top of a delicious treat!
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)


In fact, I think in twenty years time, when the old duffers like me are out of the way, John Barry will be remembered as the worst of the composers who ever wrote for a James Bond film and his scores will be remembered as the worst scores.


This seems overly gloomy. The sound and style that Barry codified in the 60's for 007 is still widely recognized, celebrated, and is the recipient of much homage. There's younger people familiar with Goldfinger (the song, score and film), people whose parents weren't even alive at the time of the film's release. There's always going to be dumb kids being "prisoners of the moment" who will refuse to sit through movies or music from more than 10 or 15 years ago (I was once one of them), but the good stuff will endure for those with taste.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

For the time being, I think we can safely forget about getting any more John Barry James Bond scores expanded.

Mark my words, the Bond scores of every other Bond composer will get expanded long before you see any more expanded Barry.

I see all the David Arnold scores getting expanded.

I see all the Thomas Newman scores getting expanded.

I see the Kamen score getting expanded.

I even see the Serra score getting expanded.

And I'll bet The Spy Who Loved Me will get more support for an expansion than any Barry Bond score.

In fact, I think in twenty years time, when the old duffers like me are out of the way, John Barry will be remembered as the worst of the composers who ever wrote for a James Bond film and his scores will be remembered as the worst scores.

He's already considered to be the worst of the song writers and I bet if you put up a poll of the best James Bond soundtracks to the public (not FSM subscribers), I'll bet you'll find not a single James Bond score prior to 1989 in the top ten.

We're lucky for what we got in 2003, that was an anomoly of timing and the right people having the right influence with the right people at the right time.

Of course, personally, I think The Man With The Golden Gun, Moonraker, Octopussy and A View To A Kill are the four most wanted expanded Barry scores, but that's because I'm a boring old duffer who hasn't worked out yet that this music was really shit and only everything written from 1989 onwards was any good.

I am being sarcastic of course.

Except the bit about betting we'll never see any more expanded Barry Bond scores. Of that, I'm sure.

Cheers


It is still Amazing why some here do not get it..or even can comprehend all the dynamics on why John Barry’s Expanded Scores Will Never See the light of Day!

Here are the Major Players.

Barbrara Broccoli...Michael Wilson...EON...And Mrs. John Barry.

And oh Yeah...Cash. Lol.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   NUMBER 6   (Member)

John Barry was quoted a few times saying..It is his worst James Bond Score ?

In Jon Burlingame excellent book THE MUSIC OF JAMES BOND, John Barry says: I used to like to have time on the songs, but on TMWTGG there was no time, i was never happy with it. I tought the score was very good, actually, but the song just didn't happen.

Anyway, i will end with this, for me the best track is not on the album and Burlingman says in his book: There is a unique version of the Bond theme for strings and cimbalom (21 minutes in the film) attempting to simulate the sound of an Orient instrument, as Bond visits Macau. Its only one of the many excellent track missing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

In Jon Burlingame excellent book THE MUSIC OF JAMES BOND, John Barry says: I used to like to have time on the songs, but on TMWTGG there was no time, i was never happy with it. I thought the score was very good, actually, but the song just didn't happen.


Thanks for posting that. It makes a lot more sense than the impression I had from somewhere, that Barry didn't like the score. Of course he did. It's a great album anchored by a versatile, enduring melody.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Well played Woolston, because I was actually reading & buying your post for a moment. Thought I WAS truly in the Zone....

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2018 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

In Jon Burlingame excellent book THE MUSIC OF JAMES BOND, John Barry says: I used to like to have time on the songs, but on TMWTGG there was no time, i was never happy with it. I thought the score was very good, actually, but the song just didn't happen.


Thanks for posting that. It makes a lot more sense than the impression I had from somewhere, that Barry didn't like the score. Of course he did. It's a great album anchored by a versatile, enduring melody.


The campiness of the song has overshadowed the fact that the melody is pretty sweet.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2018 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The song is no doubt the weakest of Barry's own Bond songs, but, as was said above, there's a pretty strong theme there, it's just lost a bit in a glittery and unrefined pop arrangement.

As is, it's just a bit juvenile, but with a bit more work could have become something with greater stature.

The very same melody with more considered arrangement, stronger lyric and less glittery vocal could have been a darn good song.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2018 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   NUMBER 6   (Member)

Again, in Burlingame book (buy this hardcover), Barry said years later: For many of the movies, i'd write 2 or 3 songs until i got the one that felt right but on TWTGG, it was a crazy rush. Barry was on THE TARAMIND SEED and 2 ohers. Broccoli wanted him back on Bond but production was running late.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51DimsMQNsL._SX348_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

http://www.jonburlingame.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DeemsTaylorAward.jpg

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2018 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

There's nothing wrong with TMWTGG's score - the problem is the song, which was a subpar effort from pretty much everyone involved (even Lulu had a cold when she sang it - you can hear her phlegm in some lines, no joke).

Due to the song's bad reputation, Barry's delicate and exotic score has been overlooked for decades, quite unfortunately because it has some very fine moments (not to mention its instrumentation, which describes the asian setting perfectly for western ears without becoming a caricature).

I wish this score would get released in expanded form at some point, but as Stephen Woolston already said, this is very unlikely for the near future, and not because of lack of elements (what an irony!) but because the studios involved simply don't care.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2018 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

The sound is bad on TMWTGG - probbably due to the album master being generations away from first-generation-tape

However, the album is still miles ahead of the DR. NO album which had a clear sound


However Dr. No can be enjoyed from time to time but even that one is easyly forgotten when FRWL and Goldfinger are being played

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2018 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   mtjs   (Member)

In Jon Burlingame excellent book THE MUSIC OF JAMES BOND, John Barry says: I used to like to have time on the songs, but on TMWTGG there was no time, i was never happy with it. I thought the score was very good, actually, but the song just didn't happen.


Thanks for posting that. It makes a lot more sense than the impression I had from somewhere, that Barry didn't like the score. Of course he did. It's a great album anchored by a versatile, enduring melody.



Thanks indeed. The misconception that Barry didn't care for the score is all too common.

 
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