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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: Return of the Jedi (1983) -- a DIGITAL recording?     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 7:45 PM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) I think this issue has been covered prev. on FSM, but I can't find the thread. I do recall the thread referencing the malonedigital.com PDF. My RSO vinyl Lp from 1983 has the "Digital Recording" logo on the front of the outer jacket. And, frankly, it SOUNDS like a digital recording of that era (and definitely duller than either ANH or ESB). I own all releases of ROJ, except the latest 2018 "remaster". So what gives?    Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 8:04 PM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) I'm trying to find an online LP graphic to show (prove to) you guys the "Digital Recording" emblem, but I can't find any (discogs , etc. ) I swear to dog my LP has that emblem. Unfortunately, that LP is boxed up, deep in a basement at my sister's house in Ohio. I recall I bought that LP a few weeks before the movie was released, so that emblem may have been an early-copy misprint. Nevertheless, having lived with the ANH and ESB double LPs up to that point, I recall that ROJ sounded dull. Still does to this day, despite all the remastering efforts!    Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 9:12 PM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) It might have looked like the CD cover ... https://www.discogs.com/John-Williams-Star-Wars-Return-Of-The-Jedi-The-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/release/9164561    Posted:   Dec 11, 2018 - 10:01 PM     By:   Chris Malone   (Member) There is no evidence I’ve seen that Return of the Jedi was recorded, mixed, or edited to digital regardless of what the front cover of the old Polydor/PolyGram CD stated. However, the Brainstorm album—also recorded at Abbey Road with the LSO and same engineering team—was done directly to JVC DAS-90 digital in September of 1983. Chris    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 7:19 PM     By:   LordDalek   (Member) Its a famous error. The US CD has the correct information As far as I am aware, none of the Star Wars films with JW have been recorded digitally. Yes even the prequels.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 7:36 PM     By:   LordDalek   (Member) Oh the German Polydor release is marked as a "Digital Master Mix", as depicted in the bottom left corner of the rear jacket and on the record label itself. This would imply it was an ADD master, however that conflicts with what is written on the US CD. In the end who knows what's the deal with Return of the Jedi other than it's never sounded that great on home audio.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 8:07 PM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) The sound "signature" of ROJ (OST) is very similar to some poorly-done digital classical recordings from the early (and, surprisingly in several cases, as late as the early 2000s). I'm specifically referring to many 'DDD' Deutsche Grammophon titles, having a muffled high-end response. And they also sound "hard". Not all early digital sounded like this. Decca, Telarc and Denon were quite good.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 8:08 PM     By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member) My original LP, purchased four days before the movie opened, has no indication anywhere that it's a digital recording. I'm inclined to believe it's not. Neil    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 8:58 PM     By:   Erik Woods   (Member) The sound "signature" of ROJ (OST) is very similar to some poorly-done digital classical recordings from the early (and, surprisingly in several cases, as late as the early 2000s). I'm specifically referring to many 'DDD' Deutsche Grammophon titles, having a muffled high-end response. And they also sound "hard". Not all early digital sounded like this. Decca, Telarc and Denon were quite good. I don't know what you are talking about but Jedi (not the RCA/Sony releases) sounds amazing! -Erik-    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:00 PM     By:   Chris Malone   (Member) Whilst memories fade and get corrupted with erroneous information, I did ask Eric Tomlinson a few times to reflect on his first experience with digital and how he found it. He was insistent that Brainstorm was the first digital recording he was involved with. Chris    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:01 PM     By:   JeffM   (Member) Slightly off-topic... I wish they'd go back to using the original fonts for the original trilogy. I like them so much better than the "fat lettering" they started with the special editions.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:02 PM     By:   Erik Woods   (Member) Whilst memories fade and get corrupted with erroneous information, I did ask Eric Tomlinson a few times to reflect on his first experience with digital and how he found it. He was insistent that Brainstorm was the first digital recording he was involved with. Chris And THAT album is one of THE very best sounding albums I own! A masterful recording, IMO. -Erik-    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:24 PM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) As noted earlier, the 2018 Disney Remaster of ROJ is the only major release I do not own. So that may be the best (???) consumer release. I know there's a long FSM thread re: the 2018 Remasters, but I've only skimmed it (and came away w/o any definite conclusion). All that said, for my fave SW albums (recording-quality-wise), I'd vote for TFA (2015) or TLJ (2017). Even at 16/44.1 CD-quality, these are reference-grade. And they are digital all the way.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2018 - 9:40 PM     By:   LordDalek   (Member) The sound "signature" of ROJ (OST) is very similar to some poorly-done digital classical recordings from the early (and, surprisingly in several cases, as late as the early 2000s). I'm specifically referring to many 'DDD' Deutsche Grammophon titles, having a muffled high-end response. And they also sound "hard". Not all early digital sounded like this. Decca, Telarc and Denon were quite good. That's actually more of the fault of Deutsche Grammophon then the tech of the time. Their engineering quality took a major backwards step in the 70s as a result of overmiking and Von Karajan having way too much say in how he felt the Berlin Philharmonic should sound.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 12:33 AM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) Slightly off-topic... I wish they'd go back to using the original fonts for the original trilogy. I like them so much better than the "fat lettering" they started with the special editions. You might be right ...    Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 8:44 AM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) About the orig. RSO 1983 LP and first-generation Polydor CD releases ... Their liner notes are confusing (beyond the Digital Recording moniker): The LP liners claim the recording location as Anvil Studios (not EMI/Abbey Road). The CD liners omit any info on Producer, Recording Engr. Recording location, etc. On another note, I went back to my playlist with flac files of the 1993 Anthology and orig. Polydor CD. I went back and forth a few times between the two. The Polydor is bit too bright, but the 1993 Anthology is quite good (apart from those atrocious edits). On a more important note, I also compared/contrasted ESB to ROJ (esp. the similar Main Title). And ...sigh ... the sound quality seems to be more similar than I originally thought. At the time I created this thread (OP), I was directly listening to the 2004 SE CD, on a very revealing system. Hmmm ... maybe I stand corrected ... so ROJ is an analog recording after all??? There, I said it    Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 9:04 AM     By:   Bus_Punk   (Member) I'm sure there was a Q&A video posted a couple years back when the Vinyl box set of the original soundtrack releases of the two Lucas trilogies were released. I dimly recall Shawn Murphy saying that parts of Revenge of the Sith where recorded digitally as there was a shortage of analogue multitrack tape at the time, but that all other episodes where analogue. Anybody else recall this or have a link to the interview? Failing that my mind must be playing Jedi mind tricks!    Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 9:39 AM     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member) The sound "signature" of ROJ (OST) is very similar to some poorly-done digital classical recordings from the early (and, surprisingly in several cases, as late as the early 2000s). I'm specifically referring to many 'DDD' Deutsche Grammophon titles, having a muffled high-end response. And they also sound "hard". Not all early digital sounded like this. Decca, Telarc and Denon were quite good. That's actually more of the fault of Deutsche Grammophon then the tech of the time. Their engineering quality took a major backwards step in the 70s as a result of overmiking and Von Karajan having way too much say in how he felt the Berlin Philharmonic should sound. It's also a question of preference. DG and HVK often favored a highly polished, mixed and analytical studio sound, Decca often a more natural "room abience" sound ("Decca tree"), and gee, I dunno, I never thought all that highly about Telarc's sound in the 80s/90s, which I often found rather artificial. (Though they did have some good sounding recordings too...). But it's not just about "good" or "bad", but also about preference.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 9:59 AM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) I'm sure there was a Q&A video posted a couple years back ... Talks At Google ...with the stuttering woman?    Posted:   Dec 13, 2018 - 10:11 AM     By:   KHashmi316   (Member) About what badly done digital sounds like ... If you've been an audiophile (or carefully listening to digital and analog) for a few decades, you can "pick it out ' ... maybe like a violinist can pick out a real Strad from a fax. It's hard to describe "bad digital" with adjectives and nouns (even with J. Gordon Holt's Stereophile glossary!) Classical recording engineer, Tony Faulkner, nails it by characterizing digital with a simple "honk" sound he makes with a cupped mouth (somewhere in this video) ... BTW: That video is one of the best hours you'll spend if your interested in classical recording. Highly recommended!!     General Discussion: Return of the Jedi (1983) -- a DIGITAL recording?    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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