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	Posted:	Jan 26, 2019 - 6:37 PM
	By:	TerraEpon (Member)

Fortunately, DRM essentially disappeared from music downloads after Amazon launched DRM-free, basically forcing iTunes to drop it soon after. As long as you put in a little effort towards backup (preferably including cloud backups), you don't have to rely on downloads being continuously available from the online stores. In some ways, they are probably more secure than physical media which can be lost, broken, suffer from rot, destroyed in a fire, or whatever.

Which isn't really relevant. Because if you never buy one, you can still never get one legally. Sure it may be hard to track down a rare CD but a rare CD exists. A download not for sale the absolute way anyone else could get a copy would be piracy. The issue isn't being able to redownload it (after all, a CD can fail too) but a new person being able to acquire it.


	Posted:	Jan 26, 2019 - 9:10 PM
	By:	JeffG (Member)

I did misunderstand and thought you were talking about the concern over being unable to re-download purchases. I think you have a valid point, but even when it comes to out-of-print titles I think the net positive is on the digital side. Yes, there are occasions where a title goes off the market due to the rights holder going out of business, but I think it is vastly more common for CDs (and other physical releases) to go out of print because there simply isn't enough demand to justify continuing to manufacture them or stores that remain interested in stocking them. With digital releases, the cost of manufacturing and stocking an item drop to nil and, particularly with the streaming services, the more content they offer the more successful they tend to be.

There are already plenty of examples of out-of-print soundtracks that are now very expensive and hard to obtain on CD, but which are still readily available both as downloads and streaming. I feel pretty confident that digital distribution is going to continue to result in a much larger selection available to newcomers than was available with physical releases.


	Posted:	Jan 27, 2019 - 4:20 AM
	By:	Adventures of Jarre Jarre (Member)


	Posted:	Jan 27, 2019 - 7:35 AM
	By:	Solium (Member)

do think that streaming is probably the future, though. I have a 15 year old and the whole idea of buying music makes no sense at all to him. He uses the Google Music subscription exclusively for everything he listens to.

Does he have to hunt down rare b-sides/promos/remixes or do streaming services provide all alternatives? If so, cheers to him.

There are two obstacles that put me on edge regarding streaming/cloud storage of any media: internet access (granting the possibility of a mishap via typical nuclear war) and subscriptions (I prefer the nuclear war). Boo, I say...

That's true too. Not only do you have to pay a streaming fee for the music you have to pay a separate internet service fee.

I also find its much harder to view or hear media though world wide access has never been easier. Simply put so much stuff is region blocked via IP address or won't ever be available in any format other than the dedicated pay streaming service.


	Posted:	Jan 27, 2019 - 11:23 AM
	By:	SchiffyM (Member)

Not only do you have to pay a streaming fee for the music you have to pay a separate internet service fee.

Well, to play a CD, you have to pay a separate fee for electricity, and for a car, or bicycle, or sneakers to go to a store and get them.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that you have all these things – be it electricity, transportation, or internet – for other uses already.


	Posted:	Jan 27, 2019 - 11:49 AM
	By:	Solium (Member)


	Posted:	Jan 27, 2019 - 7:20 PM
	By:	TerraEpon (Member)

I also find its much harder to view or hear media though world wide access has never been easier. Simply put so much stuff is region blocked via IP address or won't ever be available in any format other than the dedicated pay streaming service.

This is another point and it's pretty ridiculous that someone's access at ALL just depends on where their butt happens to be. True it might cost most for some than others for physical but again, there's no direct denial of it (this has been a thing with video games for decades and then DVDs came along with region locks too, but even then there's ways around those....the isssue of digital changed this and it's even worse with streaming)
Imagine if you decide to move to another country and whoops, suddenly that music you enjoy you no longer are allowed to Sometimes I wonder how anyone can complain about piracy with a straight face and at the same time back up systems like this.


	Posted:	Jan 28, 2019 - 1:44 PM
	By:	Sirusjr (Member)

I don't think the assumption of having internet is any different than the assumption of having electricity. For example, I think it is fair to assume that most people on these boards who have CDs also have rips of those CDs and have them on a device that they carry around to have access to. Accessing this music does not require internet. Some smart phones have the ability to read a chip of data including music. Some support over 256GB on those chips so you could conceivably have your full library on a chip in your smart phone to listen to whenever you want offline. Sure you need internet to download new music but you also need internet to buy new CDs given the recent reduction of stores stocking CDs.

Sure if you wanted to, you could just subscribe to Google Play Music or Spotify and stream everything to your phone if you wanted to, but with offline music stored as described you would only need to occasionally connect to the internet to download things which could be done on public wi-fi without needing a data plan for your phone.


	Posted:	Jan 28, 2019 - 6:42 PM
	By:	TerraEpon (Member)

Sure if you wanted to, you could just subscribe to Google Play Music or Spotify and stream everything to your phone if you wanted to,

The point is....a lot of people do that already. People who used to actually buy music (be it physical or digital). As noted above, people gowing up who can't even understand the concept of wanting to buy music. And this is what the big considerations want, full control over what people can and can't listen to.

Sure there will always be people even younger who appreciate the physical and more than just want to 'own' the thing. But consider in a sense a parallel here -- how many times on this board have people complained about all the "young people who can't appreciate the old music" (or whatever). Sure you have people like me who was born after Star Wars came out yet still will listen to a score from 1930, but I'm certainly a comparative outlier.


	Posted:	Jan 28, 2019 - 6:46 PM
	By:	SchiffyM (Member)


	Posted:	Jan 28, 2019 - 8:25 PM
	By:	Sirusjr (Member)

And this is what the big considerations want, full control over what people can and can't listen to.

What I think is a typo in that sentence aside, I can't quite wrap my head around this line of reasoning. Why do corporations want to control what you can and can't listen to? Their goal is to sell you music. Denying you music isn't in their interest.

Yeah I don't see options disappearing anytime soon. One benefit of having Spotify is that I have access to most of the rock and metal albums that were released at any time prior. If someone suggests a band I'm not familiar with I can immediately listen to their full discography. It is fantastic. It lets me explore a band without having to buy their music until I know I like it.

I mostly subscribe to Spotify to listen to new releases to decide if it is for me. This includes bands I love. Not every album will bring you joy.


	Posted:	Jan 29, 2019 - 6:19 AM
	By:	TerraEpon (Member)

Why do corporations want to control what you can and can't listen to? Their goal is to sell you music. Denying you music isn't in their interest.

Well, it's more that they'd want to steer people toward what's popular (or what they want to be popular).

Also I was just thinking about how hard it often is to get REAL info on an album sometimes (beyond tracklist and "artist") more than it used to be because so many search results are muddied up by all the streaming and download sites now. Only tangentially related but it's still somewhat frusterating.


	Posted:	Feb 1, 2019 - 11:07 PM
	By:	cathiejohn (Member)

I've been reading posts from self-appointed fortune tellers for the last four or five years here and at other music boards, all confidently signing the death certificate of the CD.

Whether its casual listeners who are not overly fussed about music but like some poppy background digital noise or those poor suckers who are investing in LPs, which anyone who grew up in that era will confirm deteriorate drastically with only a few spins, the predictions have been loud and dire.

And yet the CDs keep coming. Every month there are enough handsome reissues and rarities appearing in the format to stop me from ever being a rich man. In the types of music I collect - soundtracks, classical, jazz and classic rock - the supply is healthy and consistent.

*shrug* The doomsayers just seem wrong.


	Posted:	Feb 2, 2019 - 7:18 AM
	By:	SchiffyM (Member)

The doomsayers just seem wrong.

The CD is dead as a mainstream source for music. But as a specialty item, it's doing just fine, for now.


	Posted:	Feb 2, 2019 - 9:20 AM
	By:	Solium (Member)

And this is what the big considerations want, full control over what people can and can't listen to.

What I think is a typo in that sentence aside, I can't quite wrap my head around this line of reasoning. Why do corporations want to control what you can and can't listen to? Their goal is to sell you music. Denying you music isn't in their interest.

But Its factually true. Both for music and video. I can't make a purchase from iTunes Germany now can I? When physical media was the norm I could buy an LP or CD from any country and play it on my device. Or I could buy the DVD or BluRay and play it on a region free player. With digital only downloads and streaming we're far more restricted in what we can listen to and watch. Granted 95% of the stuff produced can be pirated. But is that really what they want me to do?


	Posted:	Feb 2, 2019 - 9:21 AM
	By:	Solium (Member)

The doomsayers just seem wrong.

The CD is dead as a mainstream source for music. But as a specialty item, it's doing just fine, for now.

This I agree with.


	Posted:	Feb 4, 2019 - 8:39 PM
	By:	SchiffyM (Member)

Why do corporations want to control what you can and can't listen to? Their goal is to sell you music. Denying you music isn't in their interest.

But Its factually true. Both for music and video. I can't make a purchase from iTunes Germany now can I? When physical media was the norm I could buy an LP or CD from any country and play it on my device. Or I could buy the DVD or BluRay and play it on a region free player. With digital only downloads and streaming we're far more restricted in what we can listen to and watch.

Right, but what's the reason for this? It's that these rights may have already been sold off for different territories. I mean, when Silva Screen did their CD release of "Alien" (for years, the only available CD of that score), they did not have North American rights to it. But of course, you could buy it here. And Silva got away with a bargain, because had they paid for North American rights, too, that would have cost them a lot more. Yes, that sort of trickery is now much harder to get around, but only because it wasn't supposed to happen in the first place.

So yes, I guess they're controlling (as best they can) that their property is not exploited by people who aren't licensed to do so. But it's not because they don't want your money, or are manipulating you for mysterious reasons.


	Posted:	Feb 4, 2019 - 11:26 PM
	By:	Adventures of Jarre Jarre (Member)

Well, to play a CD, you have to pay a separate fee for electricity, and for a car, or bicycle, or sneakers to go to a store and get them.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that you have all these things – be it electricity, transportation, or internet – for other uses already.

I'm kinda hoping that someone would get electricity/bicycle/sneakers/DragonBall Z instant-transmission/pixie dust/TARDIS/magic carpet for other things in life than just one CD. But I'm kooky that way.


	Posted:	Feb 5, 2019 - 5:58 AM
	By:	Solium (Member)

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