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 Posted:   Jan 21, 2019 - 11:47 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Ya think either of Clarke's novels will be turned into films? Personally, I remember reading 2061 and HATING it! I also remember reading 3001 and thinking it actually MADE sense, whereas 2061 made no sense whatsoever.... at least to ME!

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It seems it is either 2001 . . . or nothing. 2061 was about 'Woody' Floyd getting off Earth due to advanced age and being in zero-g was advantageous to the older person. He and his fellow passengers on a major space flight got to visit Halley's Comet and there were some developments on Europa. There was also something about a giant space diamond, although I forget the exact details.

3001 was about Frank Poole being found in space and rejuvenated, but having to put up being attached to a brain cap . . . and I forget the rest.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

SyFy was going to do a miniseries of 3001 a few years ago that was going to be produced by, amongst others, Ridley Scott, but that doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Since Hollywood is in general interesting in milking old properties instead of making new ones that in turn can be milked in fifty years, yes; they'll tap these wells. And they they'll give us the three-part prequels nobody and their grandmother asked for.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Since Hollywood is in general interesting in milking old properties instead of making new ones that in turn can be milked in fifty years, yes; they'll tap these wells. And they they'll give us the three-part prequels nobody and their grandmother asked for.

How is adapting a book to film that has never been adapted before "milking old property"? Just seems like a good, old-fashioned adaption to me, should it happen. Had they been adapted once or twice before, it might have been another issue.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

How is adapting a book to film that has never been adapted before "milking old property"? Just seems like a good, old-fashioned adaption to me, should it happen. Had they been adapted once or twice before, it might have been another issue.

That's a fair point, Thor. I'm reading 3001 again and it seems Clarke was presumably wrapping up the saga because it became chiefly what he was known for. IMO, he did it as a formal nod to his own creation, but I don't think he had any ammo left at that stage to add to the originality of his storyline in any great way. He basically did something very similar to what Ridley Scott did to the Engineers in the Prometheus wrangle. He capped it off with a somewhat disappointing angle and that was the end of it. In fact, that endgame ended up being a chief plot element of Independence Day. It was the dissemination of the virus to distract and shut down the alien menace, before they could get a handle on it so they could be blown away by the good guys. Now, someone will have to correct me if Independence Day ripped off 3001 or vice-versa, it was such a long time ago!

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2019 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

The closest thing to 2061 we'll probably ever get is Europa Report, which I enjoyed immensely including Bear McCreary's score.

Taking up the mantle now, is the Expanse TV series. It's very much a new age 2001 series. If you haven't watched it, it's worth your time. If you have Amazon Prime all 3 seasons start streaming on February 8.

Clarke himself said that he never saw Independence Day the film, and the ending of 3001 somewhat aligns with how they beat the aliens in that film. He said so himself, so that's probably another reason why it never went forward. I'm sure many would say, been there, done that!

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2019 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Thanks, ryanpaquet. Independence Day, and 3001's publication seem to be neck to neck, with the film just creeping in front of Clarke's closure to the Monolith saga. But it's that closeness that makes one think - I'd place a bet on the fact Clarke's ending to 3001 got leaked and the movie fraternity gobbled it up and spat it out according to their mission objective. Of course, there's no way of proving that from my standpoint, but I've mentioned the similarities in the 3rd act of both properties before on this board. Yup, it did make me think who really owned precedence on that score, and I'd give the benefit of the doubt to Clarke because it was his invention anyway. He conjured it up in the Odyssey Two plot when HAL's breakdown in performance was attributed to mal-programming - which is another way of saying there were bugs in the system. He just turned that idea almost on its head for the conclusion to 3001.

The interesting thing is Clarke nearly always included a sub-plot involving sabotage somewhere in his stories. To me that says he somehow needed a subversive Luddite element as a counter 'fix' within the narrative. But he was insightful again, wasn't he, because every now and then some software virus comes in from out of the blue and throws a spanner in the works in such a way that some proportion of the planet goes down because the computers have been made to go on the blink. He would have been exceptionally amused with Ed Snowdon, a real life flesh-and-blood entity who couldn't function properly with all the moral contradictions that made him a whistle-blower. Like, there has to be a dent in the pipeline as a matter of course because that's the way things average out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2019 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The closest thing to 2061 we'll probably ever get is Europa Report, which I enjoyed immensely including Bear McCreary's score.

Superb film; on my top 10 that year.

 
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