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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Is Panther the first Marvel score nominated?
Yep! It's also the first superhero score nominated since Williams Superman, which was 40 years ago. If Black Panther wins best original score it'll be the first superhero score in history to in win an oscar. I know there's a lot of politics behind these nominations, but it's interesting that an MCU movie ended up being the first superhero movie nominated for best picture. Most fanboys and critics thought that ship had sailed for the genre after The Dark Knight was snubbed 10 years ago.

I bet the detractors who've always whine and criticized MCU scores for being bland , generic, inconsistent, and unmemorable are upset and bitter about Black Panther's score nomination. Honestly despite the politics behind the nomination the Black Panther score is very distinctive from most MCU scores and scores from that particular genre in general. So I'm glad it got recognition even it was just so the Oscars could boost up ratings, viewership, and diversity, etc..

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I love the Oscars. I had such a great time watching them back in 2016 when FURY ROAD was in the mix. I know I keep saying this, but it's my favorite film ever. This year I can relax since I don't have a movie to root for.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   EasternFinn   (Member)

For the score, my prediction is Black Panther. All of the nominees are fine scores so I won't be mad whatever the outcome might be. I got the most enjoyment out of Black Panther and Klansman.

For the song, my prediction is A Star Is Born. Didn't care for any of the nominees really, probably the Mary Poppins one was my favourite. The one song missing was Thom Yorke's "Suspirium", such a magical ballad and easily the best film song of the year for me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

I just had a delicious omelet in honor of the egg on the faces of the people who said that "Black Panther" wouldn't be nominated in this category.

While I rather that Britell and Desplat were nominated for different scores (Vice and Operation Finale, respectively), this is a damn good category this year. Blanchard's nomination is long, long, long overdue. I'd be happy with him or Goransson taking the prize.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   swoony   (Member)

I think “Black Panther” by Ludwig Goransson is the least likely.

The other 4 have a narrative to them winning and depending on how the Oscar machine spins it, that's who's going to win.

“BlacKkKlansman” – Terence Blanchard
First nomination for a composer always associated with Spike Lee, and the only nominee who is a not white.

“If Beale Street Could Talk” – Nicholas Britell
He lost this category a couple of years ago with "Moonlight." This could be a make-up for that and the fact that this score is for another Barry Jenkins movie.

“Isle of Dogs” – Alexandre Desplat
Desplat is super-popular, and one of his wins was for a Wes Anderson movie.

“Mary Poppins Returns” – Marc Shaiman
Popular composer who has never won. And with a win, Shaiman would be in the EGOT club.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Take it with a grain of salt because you can call yourself whatever you wish at FilmMusicReporter.com, but someone going by the name Ken Harrison (so I think it's the retired composer Ken Harrison) had praise for Shaiman's score:

"Just saw this fantastic movie. The score was perfect – kudos to the music production team including the arrangers/orchestrators. This is as good as it gets for a true Hollywood musical. Top notch. Treat yourself and see this movie in a theatre where the picture and sound are BIG!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Chabudai Joe   (Member)


'Solo' should have been nominated.
Damn disney.

But Congratulations, Terence.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)

I hope Terrence Blanchard wins. As i was watching the movie, it kept occurring to me how the music was fitting the film like a glove and elevating it to a higher level. I really love it when that happens.

Black Panther and Isle of Dogs have some terrific orchestrations, but are otherwise pretty standard stuff.

I'm loving watching the career arc of Nicholas Britell, a real natural. Beale Street is a fine score, but not my favorite style. (His score to Vice, on the other hand, is frequently amazing. And if you haven't checked out his overlooked 2017 score for Battle of the Sexes, you should.)

And I certainly wouldn't mind if Shaiman won, given his memorable contributions over the years. (And Academy voters sure love rewarding Disney scores.) But I'm not enamored with Mary Poppins Returns, though it's a fine effort.

But I am miffed that Solo wasn't eligible. Powell and Williams ran circles around all the 2018 superhero and action-movie scores without breaking a sweat. It is a phenomenal score, and given the rocky production of that movie (which I watched a second time recently and liked it even more than the first), a first-class, not-hacked-to-bits score was no guarantee.

Ultimately, I'm just glad that this is a year where there are no nominees that make me say to myself, "You've got to be effing kidding me." So hooray for that.

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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

He may not be Gustavo Santaolalla ;-) but Marc Shaiman is way overdue for some solid recognition for his many years of colorful, tuneful, clever work in films. He's got my vote. Nothing against any of the others.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2019 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


For the song, my prediction is A Star Is Born. Didn't care for any of the nominees really, probably the Mary Poppins one was my favourite. The one song missing was Thom Yorke's "Suspirium", such a magical ballad and easily the best film song of the year for me.


Jackfu is pissed that "Whitey on the Moon" from FIRST MAN wasn;t nominated.
I had to explain to him that it isn't an ORIGINAL song.
BRM

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I hope I'm wrong, but I've always maintained that a LOT of the general Academy voting membership is painfully ignorant of the difference between a movie "score" and "all the music in the movie including songs and source music".
To me, this makes MARY POPPINS RETURNS the odds on favorite to win best score, because "I liked the songs"....not because of the score. Looking back at the past history of the wins, this happens almost every time a musical (or a movie with lots of pop or jazz standards ) goes up against regular scores.
I'm not judging the score...I haven't seen the film. My personal fave of the score noms that I've seen is BLACK PANTHER. Granted the film is over-rated, despite it's overdue cultural importance, it's still just a super hero movie...not really Oscar caliber, IMHO. But the score is excellent. Second choice would be ISLE OF DOGS. One can argue about it's stand alone qualities (not me, I love it), but it works for the film perfectly.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I hope I'm wrong, but I've always maintained that a LOT of the general Academy voting membership is painfully ignorant of the difference between a movie "score" and "all the music in the movie including songs and source music".
To me, this makes MARY POPPINS RETURNS the odds on favorite to win best score, because "I liked the songs"....not because of the score. Looking back at the past history of the wins, this happens almost every time a musical (or a movie with lots of pop or jazz standards ) goes up against regular scores.



In the case of MARY POPPINS RETURNS at least, all of the songs are original (no pop or jazz standards) and all of them are by the same composer as the underscore. Of course this was also the issue with the early 1990s Disney score wins. which caused the Academy to split out the Musical/Comedy scores into a separate category for four years. But since they were re-combined over the last 20 years, I have no problem if the occasional song-heavy score like LA LA LAND or MARY POPPINS RETURNS wins. It's all music by the same composer. And the Academy has pretty much solved the problem of the soundtracks that are dominated by pre-existing music by making those scores ineligible.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Schiffy, I thought the same! My wife got to the nominations first and she asked me to guess the score nominations. I was verbally ticking off the bigger pictures first and remarked that Beale Street just--or primarily-- used records, so I skipped by that one. Of the three Desplat scores I heard this year, I liked Isle of Dogs least (loved the movie). Loved the music for Operation Finale and The Sisters Brothers.

DOGS used quite a bit of pre-existing music.
Didn't it?

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I hope I'm wrong, but I've always maintained that a LOT of the general Academy voting membership is painfully ignorant of the difference between a movie "score" and "all the music in the movie including songs and source music".

I don't feel like the songs from "Mary Poppins Returns" (which I liked) really got a lot of play, certainly not the way the songs from "Frozen" or "Moana" did (or, going back a bit, the way the songs from the various Alan Menken Disney films did when he kept winning Best Score). The film also didn't make much impact.

That said, I wouldn't be unhappy to see Marc Shaiman become an EGOT winner.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2019 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I have no problem if the occasional song-heavy score like LA LA LAND or MARY POPPINS RETURNS wins. It's all music by the same composer.

I do have a problem with song-heavy "scores" competing and almost always winning against regular scores. It's unfair competition and comparing apples to oranges. The categories should always be separate and I hated that the Academy combined them....the only reason for it was the dearth of musical films during that period. Admittedly, still a problem...there aren't that many musical films today either. But they should never compete against background scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2019 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I have no problem if the occasional song-heavy score like LA LA LAND or MARY POPPINS RETURNS wins. It's all music by the same composer.
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I do have a problem with song-heavy "scores" competing and almost always winning against regular scores. It's unfair competition and comparing apples to oranges. The categories should always be separate and I hated that the Academy combined them....the only reason for it was the dearth of musical films during that period. Admittedly, still a problem...there aren't that many musical films today either. But they should never compete against background scores.



I'd prefer separate categories as well. But the Academy seems to have dealt with that issue as well. They don't nominate song scores any more. Since the categories were recombined in 1999, only one song score has been nominated in 20 years--LA LA LAND. I suppose that its win more than proves that song scores "almost always win against regular scores." On the other hand, I recall that two CDs were issued on that film--one with the song score and one with the underscore. If the "For Your Consideration" discs that were sent out were not the latter, I'd agree that the competition was unfair. But who's to say that the underscore didn't win fair and square?

If the sheer amount of music in a song score is the problem, wouldn't the background scores for heavily-spotted films generally have an advantage over those in sparsely spotted ones? What's the fix for that?

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2019 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If the sheer amount of music in a song score is the problem, wouldn't the background scores for heavily-spotted films generally have an advantage over those in sparsely spotted ones? What's the fix for that?

Exactly. There are no apples-to-apples comparisons possible. Scores for good films will always beat out scores from lousy films, regardless of the quality of the music. Scores favored in a mix will have an advantage over scores buried behind sound effects, regardless of the composer's contribution. Scores for a film that came out in November will have an advantage over a score for a film that came out in February. But you know what? It's an award for a movie, not a jury trial. So we don't have to stress too much about it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2019 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I think we need more categories:
Best score for a musical
Best score for a comedy
Best score for a drama
best score for a foreign film
Best soundscape score
best thematic score...

 
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