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 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

The recently posted article on experimental scores got me thinking about this and I wanted to see what everyone here thought on the subject.

I figure there needs to be some kind of parameters to help focus the discussion. Feel free to add to this as necessary.

What are the most notable experimental scores, defined as:

1) a score that uses the orchestra in an unusual/experimental way
2) a score that uses non-traditional instruments either alone or in tandem with the orchestra
3) any combination of the above two that has exerted influence on subsequent film scores


What do you folks think?

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Several of Toru Takemitsu's scores are among of the most experimental...

Woman in the Dunes
Kwaidan
Empire of Passion
Silence

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

How about that suck-ass crapfest that's known as Forbidden Planet?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   Leorx   (Member)

Several of Toru Takemitsu's scores are among of the most experimental...

Woman in the Dunes
Kwaidan
Empire of Passion
Silence


Agreed, they are probably among the best quality-wise too, some of them were groundbreaking for film too.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:24 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

How about that suck-ass crapfest that's known as Forbidden Planet?

Redone in THE ILLUSTRATED MAN section "The Veldt".

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2019 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

How about that suck-ass crapfest that's known as Forbidden Planet?

That's the example you can cite to prove that "groundbreaking" doesn't necessarily mean "good."

Edit: I've amended this comment below. Please don't flame me!

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

What are you talking about? FORBIDDEN PLANET is among several reputable lists of all time greatest film scores. It was groundbreaking and is to this day one of the best scores ever produced for a motion picture.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 12:19 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Arguing about opinions as if they're facts. Gotta love it!

Personally, I'd have loved an Alex North score to Forbidden Planet.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

I'm sure I would've preferred a lush 1950s orchestral score, but I like the way "Forbidden Planet" currently sounds. It was certainly the first title that popped in my head when thinking of "experimental" scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES. John Williams' IMAGES. Mica Levi's UNDER THE SKIN. Just to mention three off the top of my head.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Also BIRDMAN by Antonio Sánchez and THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST by Peter Gabriel. I consider them "experimental" since they "experimented" with what film music can be and do. Birdman is an all percussion score, while Last Temptation uses various musicians and techniques from all over the world. Bernard Herrmann was very experimental per se, and PSYCHO was certainly an "experiment" (among some others).
Leonard Rosenman's COBWEB experimented with 12-tone technique at a time when no one else incorporated that in film music, so that's another one. KOYAANISQATSI is another one, thought the entire movie was an experiment, so I would not necessarily limit it to the score.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Lalo Schifrin: The Hellstrom Chronicle
Jerry Fielding: Escape from Alcatraz
Gil Melle: The Andromeda Strain

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   WilkStepowy   (Member)

The first one, that comes to my mind is Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Derrida", another one is Christopher Young's "Vagrant".

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Christopher Young's first score for INVADERS FROM MARS (which got mostly rejected though).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   BBoulle   (Member)

The Taking of Pelham One Two Three - David Shire

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   sajrocks   (Member)

Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES. John Williams' IMAGES. Mica Levi's UNDER THE SKIN.

yes! also yes: FORBIDDEN PLANET, KOYAANISQATSI.

would also add john corigliano's ALTERED STATES.

would maybe consider giorgio moroder's MIDNIGHT EXPRESS and vangelis's BLADE RUNNER. is kubrick's 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY/THE SHINING or friedkin's EXORCIST in the running since they used existing experimental music to such influential cinematic effect?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

I think Morricone's scores for the Dollar Trilogy can be considered, in a way, experimental.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   BBoulle   (Member)

The Thing From Another World - Dimitri Tiomkin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   knisper.shayan   (Member)

Malastrana - Morricone

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2019 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   gyorgyL   (Member)

Gerald Busby : 3 women

 
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