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 Posted:   Mar 26, 2019 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

As the Varese Cd club announcement thread seems to have deviated to posts about broken jewel cases and the short quantities of Raggedy Man I’m curious about opinions on the Robocop 2 score itself. Do the additional music improves on the listening experience?

The album for me was very well arranged covering all the highlights. Different to Robocop 3 were I always missed some key tracks like the two Van Chases in the case of 2 nothing every stood out as a highlight missing from the album - but it is the Robocop movie I like the less and I did not watched it recently.
I remember a good track in the very beginning for the MagnaVolt commercial and imagine the score must improve in expanded form. But for those who have received it already what are the new highlights? How do you compare the complete score to the album version as a listening experience?

Maybe for the hatters of the Ro-bo-Coooop chorus (I’m not one of them) a bonus track of the “Overture” without chorus should have been included. But I really love that theme (but not as much as I love Poledouris original theme).

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2019 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

I've been a fan of this score since I first heard it in the film, so I had the advantage (and frustration) of knowing which pieces were missing to fill in the considerable gaps on the OST. Others who only became acquainted with the score from the OST might have been (understandably) baffled, so I hope for them the DE was more of a musical revelation than it was for me.

New highlights are definitely "Duffy Nukes/Robo In Pain/Duffy Gets Diced", "Goodbye Angie", and "Elevated And Depressed".

While reading the liner notes, I was thrilled to see that the author identified the commonality between "Robo Gets Faxxed" and "Creating The Monster"; musically, "Creating The Monster" sounds like a twisted inverse of the former cue, in keeping with Faxx's plan to sabotage Robocop. Great stuff!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2019 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

Really looking forward to hearing this score in full. I actually love the 30 minute release and the chorus.

It’s interesting that a thread purely about the music gets very little attention and yet other threads get hijacked by complaints and wish lists on these announcement threads.

Would be great to talk about the music once we have these releases in our hands.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2019 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Nyborg   (Member)

Yeah I'm stoked to be getting some extended well-produced Rosenman. There's nothing quite like him, and it's all the meanderings and touches he adds to his quieter tracks that really appeal to me, stuff that doesn't make the highlights for most people. I'm wearing out a playlist assembled from Alexander the Great, Hell is for Heroes, and Star Trek IV in anticipation.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2019 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Got my set last week along with ROBOCOP 3 but haven't played either of these yet. I had somehow missed the score and probably because I had panned the sequels. But hearing the Overture literally had me startled as to how good it sounded and I ordered it. So hearing this lost gem is going to be quite a treat. Even Jerry Goldsmith was in awe of Rosenmen's score as I'am told by Robertson Townson.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Maybe for the hatters of the Ro-bo-Coooop chorus (I’m not one of them) a bonus track of the “Overture” without chorus should have been included. But I really love that theme (but not as much as I love Poledouris original theme).

As I wrote early on in the other thread, I'm just loving this release. Listened to it over and over. I'm hot and cold on expansions generally, but this one really works for me. The liner notes are excellent, even made me reconsider watching the movie, which I despise, almost more so every time I watch it. So I've resisted that temptation.

By the way, since the chorus (of just four singers, really more like a jazz vocal ensemble) were sitting with the orchestra in the recording, there is no way to separate them out. It's really kind of moot. And should be - they are part of the conception, like the electronics, and they belong. Plus they're a hoot!

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2019 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Thanks so much for posting this, just on general principle. I feel like every new release needs two threads here:

Robocop 2 - Deluxe Edition (the music)

Robocop 2 - Deluxe Edition (the shipping)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2019 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

The original 1990 soundtrack left out a chunk of the sinister RoboCain music/cues, which dominated most of the 3rd act of the movie. So I'm really looking forward to hearing those specific cues in the deluxe edition.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2019 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Maybe for the hatters of the Ro-bo-Coooop chorus (I’m not one of them) a bonus track of the “Overture” without chorus should have been included. But I really love that theme (but not as much as I love Poledouris original theme).

As I wrote early on in the other thread, I'm just loving this release. Listened to it over and over. I'm hot and cold on expansions generally, but this one really works for me. The liner notes are excellent, even made me reconsider watching the movie, which I despise, almost more so every time I watch it. So I've resisted that temptation.

By the way, since the chorus (of just four singers, really more like a jazz vocal ensemble) were sitting with the orchestra in the recording, there is no way to separate them out. It's really kind of moot. And should be - they are part of the conception, like the electronics, and they belong. Plus they're a hoot!


I've never had a problem with the soprano quartet....its very comic-book, but...hey look at the source material! It's great to see others share the joy of this oft-maligned score. I thought there would be a backlash, the way most detest this one. Great notes too, hi Deniz! Too bad Townson didnt relinquish half of the ubiquitous color photos for more of your text. Oh well.

For some reason the vocal colors never occured to me, how important they are to the score, beyond the use in the Overture. Getting a different view on an old warhorse (for me), always a treat.

-Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Always liked the drive of the main theme, even that part where it sounds as though it's about to break into the theme for STAR TREK IV.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

ROBOCOP 2 is one of those movies I like in spite of itself.

Goes without saying that I wish Poledouris had scored the film just like I feel Goldsmith not doing STAR TREK II is one of the great might-have-beens of film music history (not to equate these two sequels in terms of quality!).

Also, I am not a huge fan of Rosenman's bomp-bomp-bomp action/suspense scoring, which seems largely interchangeable from film to film.

But all that said, I *really* like this score - I was okay with it on the previous release, but the expanded version has really sold me on it. The bomp-bomp stuff is kept to a minimum. It's almost like Rosenman actually liked the film and wanted to step it up a bit.

I especially love the propulsive, metal-clanging motif that opens both the Robocop theme and the album.

A real winner!

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Glad people are reappraising this score. I always thought the hatred of the chorus was a little unwarranted.

Now we just need a release of ROBOCOP: THE SERIES and I can consider this franchise officially sorted.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Glad people are reappraising this score. I always thought the hatred of the chorus was a little unwarranted.

Now we just need a release of ROBOCOP: THE SERIES and I can consider this franchise officially sorted.


My friend Pete played Robo’s son on that show! He’s still getting residuals!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

If you listen to one Rosenman score, you're going to hear bits from other Rosenman scores therein. The rapid, five-note vamp that opens the Overture and that serves as a signature for RoboCop is a phrase that he had been using for at least twenty years prior (you can hear it in the chase scenes in The Car and in "Helm's Deep" from LOTR). It often felt like each of his scores were all of a piece instead of standing as separate works, but he had such a singular and fascinating voice that I cherish them all.

I love the wordless voices in the score. I think Rosenman was correct in saying that they added an emotional resonance to the score that nothing else could achieve. They contribute an achingly human resonance, and in "Creating the Monster," a real bone-chilling eerieness. The farcial, controversial "ROBOCOP!" chant in the Overture has always been a bit more puzzling. My best guess is that Rosenman was aiming for a bit of Adam West-Batman styled camp, but it seems an odd choice to introduce that in a piece that is otherwise complex, serious, and worthy of a concert performance.

Favorites of the new tracks are those dealing with the robot fight scenes; Rosenman at his wildest and his best. I especially liked that snaky bassoon motif in "Monster Cleans House," which got buried in the sound mix.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

My friend Pete played Robo’s son on that show! He’s still getting residuals!

Tell him that he should've known it was a bad idea to join the CAP Crew!

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

My friend Pete played Robo’s son on that show! He’s still getting residuals!

Gotta love the Union!

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2019 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Glad people are reappraising this score. I always thought the hatred of the chorus was a little unwarranted.

Now we just need a release of ROBOCOP: THE SERIES and I can consider this franchise officially sorted.


It took me a long time to come around, but I finally "got it" about a decade ago. The themes and the voice quartet are spot on and in particular that clanging mechanical swagger in the overture. Pure swag!

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2019 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Always liked the drive of the main theme, even that part where it sounds as though it's about to break into the theme for STAR TREK IV.

Or, more accurately, STAR TREK IV breaks out into the theme from Rosenman's LORD OF THE RINGS score, as does ROBOCOP 2... so a+b=c means a=c or some math sh*t like that.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

"Nuke Lab" is such a great cue; I must have rewinded the first 14 seconds at least a hundred times on VHS just to hear that riff play as the cop cars arrive.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I preface this by saying that I am very happy for the people who like this score. My life is in no way diminished by this score being expanded.

I remember seeing this film opening night with friends. One of them said after the film "I never notice music in movies and I know that you do. This sounded terrible. That must have been awful for you."

Also another friend in the group and I started humming the Poledouris theme during the movie. (I admit, I want time travel so I can slap 21 year old me around for that.)

I like Rosenman. I'm one of the few people (it seems) who really enjoy Star Trek IV.

So convince me to like this score.

 
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