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 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

That thread title was the least-confusing way I could put it, but...name some source cues on albums that actually function as score cues for a movie within the movie you're watching (either written by the composer of the movie you're watching, or by someone else), like "Thriller Source" in James Newton Howard's Grand Canyon, or the "Angels With Filthy Souls II Suite" in John Williams' Home Alone 2.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

In the film Deadfall a jewel heist is being carried out while the victims are at a symphony hall watching John Barry conduct a 15-minute piece that serves as a stand-alone piece and also supports the tension of the heist. Also, perhaps one of the longest cues in film history.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 11:36 PM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)

The ultimate example of this for me has got to be the source music on the La La Land 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. You get Williams scores for a biblical epic, a western and a Stalling style cartoon score. It's a real treat!

I also like the short 'That's real music' on the Quartet release of 'Basic Instinct'.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2019 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

I dig Restaurant Source from Jaws 3.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Maybe not /quite/ there but there's also Maroon Cartoon from Who Framed Roget Rabbit which is show as being 'filmed' live after the fact.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

In the film Deadfall a jewel heist is being carried out while the victims are at a symphony hall watching John Barry conduct a 15-minute piece that serves as a stand-alone piece and also supports the tension of the heist. Also, perhaps one of the longest cues in film history.

Except that's not "a movie within the movie" - the premise of the thread. That's the same as the murderer playing his (Herrmann's) opus in "Hangover Square." Might as well include composed source cues heard on radios within movies.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Except that's not "a movie within the movie" - the premise of the thread. That's the same as the murderer playing his (Herrmann's) opus in "Hangover Square." Might as well include composed source cues heard on radios within movies.

Precisely. It has to be a "cue" from a movie playing inside the movie you're watching, and it has to be specifically recorded for the movie, like the cheesy electronic music for "Coed Frenzy" inside Brian De Palma's Blow Out.

It's not on the FSM CD, but the liner notes talk about a brief cue John Williams wrote for an adventure movie William Hurt is watching in The Accidental Tourist that's in the style of his Indiana Jones scores.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think there's one in Explorers.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

That thread title was the least-confusing way I could put it, but...name some source cues on albums that actually function as score cues for a movie within the movie you're watching (either written by the composer of the movie you're watching, or by someone else), like "Thriller Source" in James Newton Howard's Grand Canyon, or the "Angels With Filthy Souls II Suite" in John Williams' Home Alone 2.




THE TRUMAN SHOW pulls some nice punches, in that there is "dramatic underscore" (as perceived by the viewers of the show), which is also on screen diegetic music, as we see the director manipulate sound and music and camera of the scenes, pulling out all stops for the music when Truman gets re-united with his long lost "father", yet additionally works as actual underscore for the movie itself. It's a terrific scene and one of the best meta uses of music in movies I've ever seen. In another scene, composer Philip Glass can be seen performing some incidental cues for the show which also function as both underscore and score of a fictional TV show.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

The ultimate example of this for me has got to be the source music on the La La Land 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. You get Williams scores for a biblical epic, a western and a Stalling style cartoon score. It's a real treat!

I also like the short 'That's real music' on the Quartet release of 'Basic Instinct'.


Beat me to it. I would also highlight the Quartet release of Total Recall, with its Goldsmith source cues for TV commercials seen by the characters.

48 HRS. has "Aerobics", the source cue for an exercise video seen inside the window of an apartment being staked out by the protagonists.

And, two cues in the "Fanfare Suite" from RoboCop 2 correspond to a scene showing OCP execs watching demo videos of failed prototypes.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   fvasquez   (Member)

In the film The Holiday, Jack Black's character is a film composer. The movie opens with a scene from a fictional film scored by Black's character, but it's actually Zimmer's score... being played by Black.

Here's the intro:

https://youtu.be/UqQVyAiBHBI

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Okay, how about in Midnight Cowboy when Joe Buck is watching a sci-fi movie in a theatre while he is prostituting himself with a young Bob Balaban. Barry's cue matches Buck's anguish as well as the space tension on screen. P.S. No disrespect to anybody on this thread--I enjoy reading your comments and insights--but I don't tend to read everything here word for word. So sometimes I miss something.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Films that show characters watching newsreels usually fit.
KANE for example.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

Scream 2 had music for Stab in it... but sadly I don't think it ended up on any albums. Or maybe it was tracked in from somewhere else in the movies. It's been a while since I've seen the movie.

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Leonard Rosenman's score for HIDE IN PLAIN SIGHT (with Schifrin's TELEFON on an FSM CD) has two cues, one for an UNTOUCHABLES episode on TV and another for FLIPPER.
Also, and not sure if this counts since it's part of a longer score cue, what about the music for the Indian attack scene on the drive-in screen in BACK TO THE FUTURE III?

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

And let's not forget the several cues for the Woody Woodpecker cartoon in DESTINATION MOON used to explain space flight to the investors (and audience). Not by Leith Stevens if I remember correctly but definitely specifically scored for the "film within a film".

 
 Posted:   Apr 16, 2019 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

I think John Ottman scored a clip from a wacky, 60's TV sitcom Ian McKellen is watching in a scene in Apt Pupil (or maybe it was credited to Damon Intrabartolo on the CD).

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

One source cue I love is "Goldfarb's Record" in KLUTE. It's on his phonograph, visible on screen. I missed the CD and have to make do with a sound clip I took from Turner Classic Movies.

Also, I'm crazy about "Swinging at Neville's" in THE OMEGA MAN.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

One source cue I love is "Goldfarb's Record" in KLUTE. It's on his phonograph, visible on screen. I missed the CD and have to make do with a sound clip I took from Turner Classic Movies.

Also, I'm crazy about "Swinging at Neville's" in THE OMEGA MAN.


Did you even READ the first post?

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2019 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Did you even READ the first post?

Yes. Both of the examples I cited work fantastically well as score cues, even though they are both source cues.

 
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