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A perpetual favorite of mine — thrilled with the prospect of this expansion. Thank you, Intrada!
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Oh wow, it really was Iron Will! They've also released James Horner's Greatest Hits recently in Apollo 13, so this is not a new trend! As I've written in countless other threads, this was a gateway score for me, in that it helped me discover so many other scores via the awful temp tracking. I really wanted that train escape cue when the album first came out (a still from the scene was on the back cover of the goddamn album and they didn't use that cue - see also Carlito's Way), but it's pretty much Silverado!
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I ordered yesterday within a few minutes of it going live on the site. Thanks for making this happen, Intrada!
I'm curious to see if the liner notes will talk about the temp score influences... I hope they discuss it openly since there are so many scores referenced (Last Crusade, Silverado, Born on the 4th of July, etc). I seem to remember reading a quote somewhere from McNeely where he called Bruce Broughton and basically apologized for the Silverado references. IIRC, Broughton was very gracious, saying he knew what it was like to be under the gun and directed to follow temp tracks closely.
The RECORDING of this temp track fiasco is top-notch, though. "Devil's Slide" is super great.
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Oh wow, it really was Iron Will! They've also released James Horner's Greatest Hits recently in Apollo 13, so this is not a new trend!
Plus temp tracking Barber and Vaughan Williams in Son of the Morning Star. I have to agree with Shaun R. here. In fact, I could never get past the first couple of cues on the original Iron Will album. I feel like I already have all this music in original form, which may just mean I'm worn out with scores sounding like other scores or other music I know well. Too late in my listening and collecting career to pretend novelty when all I hear is the same old.
Ah, movies!
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To be fair I think Son of the Morning Star is a bit of a different situation. The two long-lined themes in that score are original creations written in a style influenced by Barber and Vaughan Williams's string writing, in particular. But he doesn't directly imitate any theme of theirs (or even get close as Alfred Newman was made to in The Greatest Story Ever Told with Barber's Adagio). I think Iron Will is much more a victim of the temp track (where the specific themes that "inspired" it are obvious), compared with Son of the Morning Star.
Yavar
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You are right, Yavar. Safan does a particularly good job using influences to create his own work (as with his use of Sibelius in Last Starfighter). Sadly, it's still all lumping together for me. I'm just weary of it.
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Sorry to hear it. I'm still happily able to enjoy Barber, Vaughan Williams, *and* Son of the Morning Star. But I do have much more trouble with stuff like Iron Will, or many works by Alan Williams, when the temp track influences are just too overt and distracting, making me outright recall the specific themes from the different musical work.
Yavar
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A script regurgitating cl8ches from dozens of previous films is scored with music recycling themes of previous scores.
It's genius!!####!!!!
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I'm curious to see if the liner notes will talk about the temp score influences... I hope they discuss it openly
The liner notes (which I wrote) do not address the temp track, although there's a minor amount of talk about influences and inspirations. At the end of the day, these specialty album packages -- I'm not speaking specifically of IRON WILL here -- all have to pass muster with the studios, and going too deeply into temp track matters is generally best avoided. There are exceptions, but that's typically the rule of thumb.
Speaking for myself, this is a subject I used to get more hung up on (especially as an early-twentysomething writing album reviews) than I do today. Part of it is just mellowing with age, I'm sure. Part of it is a better understanding of the intense pressures often brought to bear on composers, especially young composers without a lot of industry clout. Part of it is probably listening to so much music that you get a better sense of just how much every composer borrows, to some degree. Which isn't to say that some voices aren't more original than others, or that some lifts aren't more obvious than others. Naturally, each listener will sort out for themselves what can be overlooked and what constitutes too much of a distraction. But I do find that there are scores where, once you accept that the influences are thick and wide out in the open, the composer is still plying their craft in a way that is worthy of your attention.
In the case of IRON WILL, for example, everything is very nicely orchestrated and performed. The orchestra sounds just terrific, and the music is lively and engaging. The way the music interacts with the story, the characters and the scenery is quite accomplished. There's also a strong sense of thematic development that runs through the score, rooted in the pliable, four-note "Will's Tune." These are all things I can admire and appreciate, independent of what was on the temp track. So that's what I opt to focus on -- and, I expect, what fans of this score will enjoy most.
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Good post, Wedge! (nice shooting, Wedge)
Yavar
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Riffs, borrowings, temp tracking doesn't really bother me at all. Not from McNeely, not from Horner, not from Williams. Nada, zilch, zero. Great music is great music even if its a new take on something familiar.
We are in accord.
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Riffs, borrowings, temp tracking doesn't really bother me at all. Not from McNeely, not from Horner, not from Williams. Nada, zilch, zero. Great music is great music even if its a new take on something familiar.
Riffing on an existing piece by another of totally fine - IF it's credited. If it's not, that's just plagiarism.
I still like elements of Iron Will, but this score was most famous in 1994 FOR the temp trackitis.
The original 1994 FSM review (by "Roy Fokker") is here on pg. 33:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/backissues/viewissue.cfm?issueID=151
What a treasure, this print archive.
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