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 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



This is awesome!!! It starts out underwhelming and slow developing until they actually start the fight. At first it looked like they were going to use body doubles with no head shots, but they do CGI in Obi-Wan’s face. Not the greatest CGI but it was required to properly choreograph the action.

It’s just the right amount of physical action without going over the top (like the prequels) and better than any light saber fights in those gawd awful sequels.

Inter-cutting existing scenes from the film or changes in music weren't really necessary and I'd prefer if they left that out. But the actual fight sequence was awesome.

Yet another example of a fan making a better Star Wars action sequence than a multi billion dollar company with all the resources at it's disposal.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

solium: Yet another example of a fan making a better Star Wars action sequence than a multi billion dollar company with all the resources at it's disposal.

Uh, no it's not.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Really? I can't think of one decent light saber fight in the Disney sequels. The prequels were just over the top. This was perfect. To each their own!

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Really? I can't think of one decent light saber fight in the Disney sequels. The prequels were just over the top. This was perfect. To each their own!

The fight between Rey and Kylo against Snoke's guards after Snoke is killed in The Last Jedi us pretty damned great, honestly. Regardless of what you think of the film itself, it's a very well done sequence

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

I liked it, Sol. Thanks.

Funny that an elderly Obi-Wan can take being slammed against the wall when Darth goes all Rogue One-ish on him! smile

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Really? I can't think of one decent light saber fight in the Disney sequels. The prequels were just over the top. This was perfect. To each their own!

The fight between Rey and Kylo against Snoke's guards after Snoke is killed in The Last Jedi us pretty damned great, honestly. Regardless of what you think of the film itself, it's a very well done sequence


In general I agree with you, that is probably the most exciting light saber battle since the original trilogy. But there are fundamental problems with it. Like everything else since the prequels its over choreographed. It looks like a dancing routine or skills competition.

Also theres no build up or climax. Its like the director said “Action” and everyone went through their moves. There wasn’t anything intense about the sequence, or any feeling the characters were in peril. When weapons met, there was no sense of weight or force upon contact.

Finally outside of the fight scene itself there was really no reason for it. The fights in the original trilogy were personal and had high stakes. But that goes into the over all problems with the prequel and sequel stories.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I liked it, Sol. Thanks.

Cool, glad you liked it!

Funny that an elderly Obi-Wan can take being slammed against the wall when Darth goes all Rogue One-ish on him! smile

Yes, that was the only bit where I think that was a bit to much beating for the old man. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2019 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

solium, thanks for posting this, I really enjoyed it!smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2019 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

Where to begin?
First of all, give it a rest folks, stop doing that what you curse out George Lucas for doing.
An old English early 20th century raised Alec Guines as an Obi-Wan fighting like a 30 something prime Asian fighter is more camp than anything in the 60s Batman live action series.
The current over the topness of it all without the style and ingenuity of the 80s has to stop anyway.

Darth Schwarzenegger is fun, this is just laughable.

D.S.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2019 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Uh, no it's not.

Ditto.

Like everything else Star Wars (and a good many other genre properties) these days, it pays lip service to story and character to fetishize action/violence.

In other words, it suffers from "wouldn't it be cool if…" syndrome.

Because this reimagined confrontation clearly springs from the imagination of someone whose conception of drama has been woefully malformed by one too many obsessive hours spent playing video games—which is why it more resembles a manicured Boss Battle, and why, when intercut with the original film footage, it looks so laughably OTT.

It not only upstages the narrative, but it also mutates the austere Vader of judicious violence into a "power up" rage monster (as previously depicted in that other video game inspired outing Rogue One).

So, no. While the effort is commendable for the effort, it's simply 6 minutes of bad storytelling.

To add: this is just as bad, if not actually worse, than what dear old George did when he decided to make all his so-called "improvements" to the original trilogy with the "Special Editions."

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Absolute crap made for ADHD by idiots.

Passed harder than a kidney stone.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2019 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Some imaginative work here, with good intercutting with the original footage.

The conceptual problem is, George Lucas has stated on the blu-ray commentary and elsewhere that these two Jedi are essentially old, broken down Jedi at this point in their existence.

Hence, the overall hyper-kinetic, ADHD, cutscene vibe of the whole thing makes it more appropriate as an overzealous fan-fic adaptation.

Though, to be entirely forthright, it’s no more laughable than Disney’s current Star Wars for Girls trilogy.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2019 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I liked it.

Especially how it tries to blend the "modern" concept of a lightsaber duel while keeping the feel of the original movie.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2019 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

DP? I have a bad feeling about this...

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2019 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Relax folks. Enjoy it for what it is. A pretty good bit of fan made extra. Enjoyed that.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2019 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

To add: this is just as bad, if not actually worse, than what dear old George did when he decided to make all his so-called "improvements" to the original trilogy with the "Special Editions."

There's a history between Darth and Obi-Wan (aka" the prequels) and it updates the confrontation based on Anikan's rage towards his old teacher. In that respect it makes all the sense in the world. I disagree it's as bad as Lucas's Special Edition updates. (Where every change he made was bad) I'm totally comfortable putting this into a New Hope. Keeping in mind I would re-cut it differently and they would need to improve the graphing on Ben's face on the body double. I agree the rage moment in Rogue One was unnecessary and wrong for different reasons. He never took the lead in a battle and there's no reason for so much rage in the fight. Not to mention he was to powerful. It reminded me of a scene in Akira.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2019 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Star Wars (1977) is the story of Luke Skywalker and his hero's journey, it isn't about a tertiary antagonist with barely any lines who inexplicably sidelines the hero in the middle of his derring-do escape to act out adolescent resentments toward a supporting character (Obi-Wan) (which would only come to be known by the viewer in a woeful prequel series made 22 years after the fact).

Want more fan service?

Hey! Why not during the battle over the Death Star, just after Biggs goes down, we cut to those outtakes of Luke and he buddy-buddying it up on Tatooine to frame their relationship?

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2019 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Thanks, Solium! I thought it was enjoyable on the whole; especially the technical aspects of the lightsaber battle. I never cared for the use of the furniture-throwing stuff really, except in TESB when Vader was doing it to show Luke he had much to learn yet.
One of the main things that appealed to me when Star Wars premiered was the essence it owed to Chi, and the blade play between Vader and Kenobi. Their battle more resembled samurai skill than the swordplay of knights or swashbucklers.
One of the things I found interesting about some of the battles in the prequels was the apparent influence of some of the “stick and knife arts”, if you will. Some of the Jedi appeared to have some Escrimador-like skills or those of Silat and deployed them in their battles when using two lightsabers at once. For me, it was an evolution from the more basic skills used in Star Wars (“Ep IV”).

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2019 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I got a kick out of it. It's amazing how cool this turned out. If not to Rogue One, BTW, this never would have been necessary. I love the Vader sequence in that film, but it made the slowness of the Vader/Obi-Wan final duel stand out.

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2019 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Spinmeister - I rail against fan service all the time. The relationship between, Luke, Anikan and Ben are pivotal and the center of the entire story. Biggs isn’t.

@ Jackfu- I agree with you. Ive always said the Ninja jumping, and tossing things around with the force went to fare in Empire. But this fan film takes into account the total Star Wars story and it cleverly melds it all together. When Vader tossed storage bins and canisters at Luke he pummels him. When Vader tried the same technique on a true master Ben sliced them in half and it almost back fired on Vader. (Literately briefly catching him on fire)

@ Scott- I never felt anything had to be re-imagined in Star Wars, I’m usually a purist. But this is the one instance where I really like the new take on the fight.

 
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