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 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Super rare early Goldsmith industrial film—here's context for that score that's been on bootleg albums for decades:




Lukas

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Thanks, I'm not sure there's any synopsis available so the content was always a mystery. I didn't know that "the General" was a metaphor for any building contractor.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Illustrator   (Member)

Thanks Lukas. I used to have this on record with Coogan's Bluff and The Big Country!
I haven't heard it for years yet was thinking about it just a couple of days ago, thanks for posting this.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Great! Thanks LK - Now that I have the context, I like it more (although I still never listen to that crappy quality boot). "Wacky" cues are hard to like unless you see the pratfalls behind them.

Interesting that near the beginning, when they're talking about the building of the Parthenon and stuff like that, I hear echoes of "The Artist Who Did Not Want To Paint" (still one of my top-fave JG pieces). I hadn't noticed that before, without the visual hint.

And as someone pointed out on the PETER PROUD thread, yes indeed, "TV Source" originated here! You can hear it a few times around the 9 and 10 mins marks. So Michael Sarrazin was supposed to be watching The General With the Cockeyed ID?

The video's been up on YT since 2017 but has had very few views. I can't get it to come up when I do a search on YouTube itself, which is a bit weird but which might explain why hardly anyone's seen it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Henning Andersen   (Member)

This score has even more snare drumming than your normal Jerry Fielding score :-)

Where would this kind of documentaries have been shown?? At special trade conferences or what.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

Thanks so much Lukas!!

Didn't know this was such a classy little project with a Norman Corwin script and Alexander Scourby as narrator.

Not comparable in content at all, but with Alexander Scourby providing narration, this makes me think of the superbly scored NBC-TV Project XX program "The Coming of Christ" that was broadcast Dec. 1960 with a released "Ben-Hur"-ish gatefold LP with music by Robert Russell Bennett that rivals his arrangements of Richard Rodgers' themes for "Victory at Sea" in excellence and beauty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFEB5P0Q428

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

You said the “B” word!!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Since the word "id" is frequently capitalized when this title is referenced, one might think it indicates someone wearing a crooked ID badge. smile

Near the end of this short film it's clear that they are describing the instinctual tendencies of the human 'id' (i.e. part of the ego).

Even though this short is copyrighted 1964 within the beginning credits, Goldsmith could have recorded his music late in 1963. Goldsmith's General sounds as though it could have been written after The Prize & Seven Days in May (both recorded in October '63) and prior to "The Vulcan Affair" pilot score for The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (January '64).

I wonder how Kev McGann will assess this early Goldsmith piece? Kev dislikes The Stripper, The List of Adrian Messenger & A Gathering of Eagles, all early '60s vintage Goldsmith. Will Kev McGann like the 'id' of this 'general'? wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Since the word "id" is frequently capitalized when this title is referenced, one might think it indicates someone wearing a crooked ID badge. smile

Near the end of this short film it's clear that they are describing the instinctual tendencies of the human 'id' (i.e. part of the ego).



Lukas capitalized "ID" in his thread title.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Since the word "id" is frequently capitalized when this title is referenced, one might think it indicates someone wearing a crooked ID badge. smile

Near the end of this short film it's clear that they are describing the instinctual tendencies of the human 'id' (i.e. part of the ego).



Lukas capitalized "ID" in his thread title.


I did because I couldn't figure out what it meant either!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Thanks Lukas. I used to have this on record with Coogan's Bluff and The Big Country!
I haven't heard it for years yet was thinking about it just a couple of days ago, thanks for posting this.


I used to have that record back in the 80s.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I thought it was something about an I.D. badge, too.

"Hey, mister, that badge is a little cockeyed!"
"How so, sir?"
"Well, for one you forgot to put it on!"

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

Cockeyed Id

Using the textbook definitions of these two words, it would seem this industrial video is implying that a building contractor takes a crooked or askew set of uncoordinated instinctual trends and organizes them into a structural reality.

I always thought the title was silly,
while in actuality it’s quite thought provoking (once it’s understood). wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Hey ZS, I don't dislike A GATHERING OF EAGLES. Parts of it are ace. It's just the more soap opera sounding Golden Age sections of it pale in comparison to the more forward reaching Goldsmith sounding style.
I've always quite liked the GENERAL/ID music.
It's got a nice little bouncing rhythm to it and it's fun to hear some of the little JG call outs to other works of his.
I don't have a downer on early years JG scores, btw, just random ones that do little for me.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Hey Lukas any chance of this score getting a superior official release some day?

Hey, it happened for Peter Proud and City of Fear...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Cockeyed Id

Using the textbook definitions of these two words, it would seem this industrial video is implying that a building contractor takes a crooked or askew set of uncoordinated instinctual trends and organizes them into a structural reality.

I always thought the title was silly,
while in actuality it’s quite thought provoking (once it’s understood). wink


I would love to re-title this as The Construction Manager has a Lopsided Ego

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


I don't have a downer on early years JG scores, btw, just random ones that do little for me.


Sure, I realize.

Once I know which ones you don't care for, though, I love to tease about them.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2019 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I actually owned the LP when I was younger. But I traded it to someone for a Criminal Law CD.

(Yeah, I know.)

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2019 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Hey Lukas any chance of this score getting a superior official release some day?

Hey, it happened for Peter Proud and City of Fear...

Yavar


I have NO idea but the best bet would be if somebody like Doug Fake had a good copy of the master (from Jerry's personal tapes?) and could work it out with the entity that posted the movie to youtube...

Lukas

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2019 - 2:11 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Ive always enjoyed this score even if it was in glorious mono. Swinging Goldsmith at its finest .
Bring an a proper release!
Thanks.

 
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