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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Who has both and how do they compare?

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

1. There have been threads comparing the ost with the SILVA
2. USE THE SEARCH ENGINE
3. The ost was released on CD.by Intrada NOT LLL.
4. The ost was most recently issued by Quartet.
5. If you want your thread to be relevant, I suggest you change it to " Intrada vs. Quartet - LAST VALLEY.

Thank you for listening, citizen.
Brm

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

1. There have been threads comparing the ost with the SILVA
2. USE THE SEARCH ENGINE
3. The ost was released on CD.by Intrada NOT LLL.
4. The ost was most recently issued by Quartet.
5. If you want your thread to be relevant, I suggest you change it to " Intrada vs. Quartet - LAST VALLEY.

Thank you for listening, citizen.
Brm


Thanks for the correction. I Did mean Quartet...and I tried the search engine and not surprisingly nothing came up! So excuusse me!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I am interested in a comparison between the Intrada and Quartet.
Type " The Last Valley" into the search engine. Should pull up some threads.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I have both. Everyone should have both. The score is a masterpiece, perhaps Barry's best. Each has its advantages.

1) The re-recording is complete or nearly so. This is one of those few scores that actually deserved an expansion. The re-recording performance is good, though not as sharp as Barry's. Buy it because of the additional music.

2) The original is a great album. The performance captures both the gorgeous lyricism and the barbaric qualities in the music. Noted Barry-hater film music critic Page Cook even liked this score and noted Barry's "predilection for the ominous."

He went too far, though, when he wrote that Barry was a "misanthrope." Did he get that from the score or what? Phil Ramone produced the original recording, and Barry assembled the perfect album from his score. When I defend those original 40-minute albums in contrast to the expansions with every sliver of music tacked on, this album is foremost in my mind. If you're only going to get one of these--why would you do that?--this is the one. The ONE.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

To repeat.
The ost vs Silva has.been discussed AT LENGTH.
CAN we update.the discussion to Quartet v. I
Intrada which has NEVER been discussed?

Pretty please.smile

Memo.to Woolston: don't take.the.bait. make them do some searching!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2019 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

To repeat.
The ost vs Silva has.been discussed AT LENGTH.
CAN we update.the discussion to Quartet v. I
Intrada which has NEVER been discussed?

Pretty please.smile

Memo.to Woolston: don't take.the.bait. make them do some searching!


Never say NEVER smile
-see: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117450&forumID=1&archive=0

where I and others did comment on what we heard as improvements in the Quartet release.

I had previously posted, re: the Intrada release, that whilst it was an improvement over the Tickertape release it does suffer from too much noise reduction at track ends so that each track appears to end very abruptly (the older TT release was a very good sounding vinyl LP from which it may have been transferred and flowed very nicely). The harsh track endings are less noticeable in the Quartet release (as played over hi-fi speakers).
Mitch

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Yeah this has been discussed before. Although praising the rerecording, I remember Stephen saying before he had an issue with the tempo on some of the tracks. Those 3 Silva Barry rerecordings were very welcome at the time however, and all worth owning if they're still readily available.

I don't have the Quartet, but I agree with Mitch regarding the TT and Intrada releases, though I've been generally happy with the Intrada when listening. I think I gave the TT release away.

Good film too, it's been shown on Talking Pictures TV in the UK a few times.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

To repeat.
The ost vs Silva has.been discussed AT LENGTH.
CAN we update.the discussion to Quartet v. I
Intrada which has NEVER been discussed?

Pretty please.smile

Memo.to Woolston: don't take.the.bait. make them do some searching!


Never say NEVER smile
-see: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117450&forumID=1&archive=0

where I and others did comment on what we heard as improvements in the Quartet release.

I had previously posted, re: the Intrada release, that whilst it was an improvement over the Tickertape release it does suffer from too much noise reduction at track ends so that each track appears to end very abruptly (the older TT release was a very good sounding vinyl LP from which it may have been transferred and flowed very nicely). The harsh track endings are less noticeable in the Quartet release (as played over hi-fi speakers).
Mitch



Thank you!
Unlike the other thread, this one doesn't have THE LAST VALLEY in the title..
I didn't do a side.by side comparison but felt the bass was stronger on the Quartet
Brm

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

How does the SQ on the Tickertape CD compare in general to the Mask release of Barry's King Kong? I have the latter.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Page COOK actually wrote" I am a misanthrope" but the editor changed it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I'm sorry but I must take the bait.

If you love John Barry and/or The Last Valley, you must have both.

It's true I do have an issue with one or two of the tracks on the Silva Screen version. Not tempo per se. Without going into nauseating detail:

1. The main title misses an (in my opinion) very important underlining horn statement at a key point in the theme and I think the theme really misses it.

2. The repeating chord in The Village Attack isn't transcribed quite right. Forgive me, I'm not well educated on music terminology but I think I'm right in saying in the original it's a broken chord but transcribed as an arpeggio. If my terminology is wrong, then I'll go for knuckle-dragger speak: in the original it goes down-up-down-up and in the new recording it goes up-up-up-up.

3. "The Rape of Khutai" is speeded up but that was a deliberate creative choice.

4. The opening of "The Villagers Move The Shrine" isn't right in my opinion. In trying to figure out what was going under other film noise, I think the pattern of the opening is missed.

I may have pointed out a couple of other things in other threads.

One school of thought is I'm just nitpicking.

Another school of thought is details are important and one missing note and an incorrectly transcribed chord is a deal-breaker.

You take your pick on that.

My take is that these things matter, but in the scheme of things it's deducting one point off what is otherwise a 9-out-of-10 recording.

I do prefer the subtleties and nuances of the original Barry conducted performance for those tracks available in that recording, and that's why I find that Quartet release essential.

But the Silva Screen recording is nevertheless undoubtedly good with two massive boons: much better sonic quality and it contains all the music in the film.

If you really put a gun to my head and said, pick one or die, I'd be faithful to the original album. But, you're not, so I happily own and play both with pleasure.

How's that?

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

How does the SQ on the Tickertape CD compare in general to the Mask release of Barry's King Kong? I have the latter.

Both horrible in my humble opinion. Both lifted from vinyl, of course, and both bootlegs. But again, if you put a gun to my head and said, choose a better transfer or die, I'd say the Mask KK sounds a bit better than Tickertape's LV.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

How does the SQ on the Tickertape CD compare in general to the Mask release of Barry's King Kong? I have the latter.

Both horrible in my humble opinion. Both lifted from vinyl, of course, and both bootlegs. But again, if you put a gun to my head and said, choose a better transfer or die, I'd say the Mask KK sounds a bit better than Tickertape's LV.

Cheers


I rarely disagree with you, Stephen - certainly over matters pertaining to Mr. Barry's works, - but here: I never had a problem with the TT release as it sounded just like the old vinyl LP (albeit without the scratches and distortion) whereas the Mask release of King Kong (1976) was horrid ... sound totally flat as compared with the Reprise vinyl LP.

Not that I've played either old release in a long time!

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2019 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

As long as there are " search engine deniers", poor Woolston will never be able to rest.

 
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