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 Posted:   Jun 16, 2019 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)



This was released and pulled from release all within a day or two. Only a few people like myself snagged it.

How many are out there?

Did it ever get re-released?

Did we ever find out why?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2019 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Picked up two copies myself.

Maybe limited to 500 total before being yanked?

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2019 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   malena   (Member)

We need a complete release, at least with extra tracks form the music stems (which reportedly exist).
The original opening version of the main theme is a highlight, with the magical vocal by Edda Dell'Orso, which was never released. I hope one day a prestigious label like LaLaLand or Intrada will release this gem from the Paramount vaults!

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2019 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I was at work when I saw it had been released. By the time I got home, it was gone and Creature Features was selling them on eBay for $150.

Never again.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2019 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I found it on CD at some point. Actually, one of the few Morricone scores I actually like, including THE RED TENT, THE MISSION, and NOSTROMO, among a few others.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2019 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

I found it on CD at some point. Actually, one of the few Morricone scores I actually like, including THE RED TENT, THE MISSION, and NOSTROMO, among a few others.

How much did you get it for?

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

There’s a cd of ORCA on Amazon UK for £22.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

There is, but it's a different pressing. The Music Box has better sound. I wonder if this cannot be re-released at this point? It was suggested that the withdrawal from circulation might have to do with the included song, which really would be no loss if they left it off and just re-released it. But perhaps it is more complicated than that?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 2:32 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

The Quartet has better sound.

The MBR

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   jonchete   (Member)

Quartet never released it

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The Quartet has better sound.

The MBR


Yes, of course, you're right. I corrected it above.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

It was suggested that the withdrawal from circulation might have to do with the included song, which really would be no loss if they left it off and just re-released it. But perhaps it is more complicated than that?

I see no evidence that the song is the problem. What was the reason behind the suggestion?

The movie executive producer was Dino De Laurentiis, which is an immediate red flag. I doubt it will be re-printed anytime soon. Same for "Roma come Chicago" ect.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Why...its available..just get it on amazon...no big deal.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


I see no evidence that the song is the problem. What was the reason behind the suggestion?


No evidence, I just got this from speculation on various boards at the time it happened. I have no idea if it was the song. However, at least Music Box must have thought they had cleared the rights enough to go ahead with the production, so I presume whatever rights issue came up was something that took them off guard.


The movie executive producer was Dino De Laurentiis, which is an immediate red flag. I doubt it will be re-printed anytime soon. Same for "Roma come Chicago" ect.


Other soundtracks to Laurentiis titles have also been released, including some on specialty labels. But as it has not been re-printed yet, it seems indeed as if that one is off the table for now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)


Other soundtracks to Laurentiis titles have also been released, including some on specialty labels.


That's correct. Laurentiis titles from the same years have been released (The White Buffalo, The First Great Train Robbery). I did not realise how many of them have been released. I'm not sure why some titles are "forbidden" and others not. In many cases, though, the issue is likely that master tapes do not exist.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

That's correct. Laurentiis titles from the same years have been released (The White Buffalo, The First Great Train Robbery). I did not realise how many of them have been released. I'm not sure why some titles are "forbidden" and others not.

You are mixing up the De Laurentiis production company with their music publishing company which in Italy is Radiofilmusica and which in most cases simply is not cooperative regarding CD releases.
The WHITE BUFFALO or GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY scores were MGM/UA titles which have nothing to do at all with the Radiofilmusica music publishing company in Italy. Therefore the rights owners for the music are completely different than for ORCA.

I still stick to my explanation which I had given in this thread about ORCA two years ago:

"ORCA is indeed a very tricky title regarding the rights.
If you for example look up the French or even German performing rights societies SACEM and GEMA, you won´t find any info there about the Italian rights owner Radiofilmusica for ORCA. What you will find there on the other hand are Warner Chappell Music France, Sony ATV or Famous Music (music publishing division of Paramount). These three are all publishing companies with which Music Box has already collaborated on many other CD projects in the past - for example with Warner Chappell on Morricone´s LE SERPENT. So I am sure that they have done everything in a legal way what they could - as usual. And if you follow the logic of the SACEM website, you would think that it is totally sufficient within France (or Germany) to license the score from Warner Chappell who apparently also had the album master of ORCA.
But if you look up the Italian performing rights society page SIAE, you will find there as rights owner of the score Radiofilmusica. This is the big difference. And if Radiofllmusica now has interceded, I can imagine that the CD has to be withdrawn - in a similar way as Mario Nascimbene´s KISS THE GIRLS AND MAKE THEM DIE on the Japanese Avanz CD label (also a Radiofilmusica title which had not been properly licensed at that time) had to be withdrawn in 1998 after a very short time. Therefore also only a few copies of the Nascimbene CD could be released and are top rare in the meantime."

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=119300&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2019 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I was at work when I saw it had been released. By the time I got home, it was gone and Creature Features was selling them on eBay for $150.

Never again.


THE PHELPS HESITATION

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2019 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

Was the old Legend CD licensed from Radiofilmusica?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2019 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Was the old Legend CD licensed from Radiofilmusica?

Yes, of course, the old Legend CD was licensed from Radiofilmusica. You can read that info on the back cover of the CD: "Music published by Radiofilmusica s.r.l."
Otherwise it would not have been possible to release that CD. It seems that unfortunately Maurizio Buttazzoni who had produced the Legend CD was the one and only person in Italy who had really good contacts with Radiofilmusica and who was a good friend of their archive manager Giovanni Cimmino who was also their mastering engineer and the most important contact person there. After Buttazzoni´s death in 2011 also the cooperation with Radiofilmusica came to an end. For years now neither Beat nor Digitmovies in Italy can cooperate with Radiofilmusica - so why should it have been possible for Music Box?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2019 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Thanks for clearing up this rather complex editorial process, Stefan. Would you say that all the publishers from various countries you mentioned have paid for the original recording sessions of this score back in 1977? And in such cases, do you know how is determined how much money each co-publisher is putting on the table? Must be a difficult issue.

 
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