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This was the second best suggestion I saw someone make in the "Speculation for later 2019 LLL releases" thread, after From the Earth to the Moon (which still seems likely because Tuesday is the Apollo 11 anniversary...that would just be a huge coincidence!)
But whether or not LLL already has it in the works for the 60th anniversary, a definitive new Twilight Zone box set would make a lot of sense. The previous TZ releases (including the 4 disc Silva box) were incomplete. I know that two Goldsmith TZ scores were left off entirely ("Nightmare as a Child" and "The Four of Us Are Dying", both only available with dialogue-bleed on the iso score tracks), plus a couple short cues from "The Big Tall Wish" and maybe some other things like the correct composite "The Image" cue from "Nervous Man in a $4 Room" (and the finale cue from that score is at an improper speed/pitch as well, except on the iso score track where again it has dialogue bleed instead). For those who are curious to hear the unreleased music, check out the Goldsmith Odyssey podcast episodes on them here where we play them:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/751831-episode-9-the-twilight-zone-the-four-of-us-are-dying-the-big-tall-wish-1960
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/766316-episode-10-the-twilight-zone-nightmare-as-a-child-nervous-man-in-a-four-dollar-room-1960
Oh, I just remembered...the very first brief cue from "Dust" is also unreleased, as we discuss here:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1210706-episode-19-the-twilight-zone-dust-1961
And "Back There" on album doesn't execute the intended key crossfade between two important cues which accompany the time travel element of the program. It may not sound like much but it's a significant oversight considering it's perhaps the greatest musical moment of the score and it doesn't play on album as Goldsmith intended!
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1305991-episode-20-the-twilight-zone-back-there-1961
And that's just what I know about Goldsmith because I've really dug into his work on the series for The Goldsmith Odyssey. I feel certain there are other TZ scores (or individual cues) left off, by the other talented composers who worked on the show. (Does anyone have info on what other TZ scores are fully or even partially unreleased, besides the Goldsmiths I mentioned?)
Personally even with the previously-released music I'd like to have an official release with the scores separated out into cues (like LLL's Planet of the Apes TV series release) rather than lumped together with single 10+ minute tracks mushing the entire episode scores together.
There are also some cool bonuses that could be included on a mega-set, when it comes to Goldsmith, such as full releases of the scores that were labeled as "Jazz Theme #1" (his score for the Man on the Beach pilot episode that never went to series, "Saturday Night in Santa Monica") and "Jazz Theme #2" (his score for the Studio One episode "The Fair-Haired Boy") and which were included on the Silva set without their real titles, and in incomplete form. There is some important unreleased music from both of these, as you can discover again on our Goldsmith Odyssey coverage of the scores:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/779305-episode-11-man-on-the-beach-1959-the-fair-haired-boy-1958
I personally think it would be a nice excuse to also include Goldsmith's totally-unreleased* score for another unsold pilot, The Sergeant and the Lady. This would have been his very first original TV theme, back in 1958, if it had gone to series...and personally I really dig the whole score, more than Man on the Beach. The whole score is less than 7 minutes long and would be a great inclusion for Goldsmith fans, since it was also used here in there in The Twilight Zone. Here it is if you're interested to hear some (second half of this podcast):
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/723107-episode-7-peck-s-bad-girl-1959-the-sergeant-and-the-lady-1958
*except a bit on ancient TransWorld transcription 78s, and some brief fragments on TZ isolated scores because they were tracked into a couple episodes as library music
Finally, a definitive Twilight Zone box set (if on the scale of the one LLL did for Lost in Space) could be also a good (I'd say the best!) excuse to release *all* of the "wild" CBS music library contributions, from the most famous composers who contributed to it like Herrmann and yes, Goldsmith. Many famous and beloved TZ episodes such as "To Serve Man" prominently used cues by these composers, sometimes fragmented and stitched together, but recognizable enough as "Twilight Zone music" that their inclusion here would probably make more sense than on a release for any other CBS show that might have used them but which would certainly have less sales appeal for a box set of this size, today. Learn more about (and hear, from TZ iso score tracks and Ron Burbella's TransWorld 78s source) *this* music in our two-part podcast coverage, here:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/797224-episode-12-cbs-music-library-spectacular-part-1
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/812543-episode-13-cbs-music-library-spectacular-part-2
So...who else is with me in being excited at the prospect of a big definitive box set for the original Twilight Zone? 
Yavar
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(Does anyone have info on what other TZ scores are fully or even partially unreleased, besides the Goldsmiths I mentioned?)
I would think TZ fans already know this, Yavar, but I don't think any of the original recordings for TZ's 4th & 5th seasons have ever been issued onto disc.
Herrmann's 2 scores for the 5th season were digitally recorded, but none of the original tracks (by any composer) are on disc.
A French vinyl EP was issued (around '63) featuring Henri Lanoe's music for "An Occurance on Owl Creek Bridge", but this, or course, was not written for TZ.
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The Moradi Investigations
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TBH
I would like to see the UN released music released.
I have the 40th set ( and the McNeely) so don't really need a complete box.
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This is a thing I've been thinking about for years. Here's how I'd program the set... (unreleased on cd scores denoed with asterisk)
BOX 1 (1959-1960)
Disc 1 All tracks Hermann:
Intro (Westbrook van Vorhis Pilot Version)*
Twilight Zone Theme (long version)
Where is Everybody?
Intro (alternate)
The Lonely
Walking Distance
End Credits (Long Version)
Disc 2:
Rod Intro (Version 1)*
Twilight Zone Theme (short version)*
And When The Sky Was Opened (Rosenman)
The Sixteen Millimeter Shrine (Waxman)
Time Enough at Last (Stevens, may be lost)*
Twilight Zone end credits (short version)*
CBS Production card (Gluskin?)*
Disc 3 (Van Cleave):
Perchance to Dream
What You Need*
Elegy
A World of Difference
Disc 4 (Goldsmith):
The Four of Us Are Dying*
The Big Tall Wish
Nightmare as a Child
Disc 5:
The Purple Testament (Morriweck)*
The Monsters are Due on Maple Street (Garrigeunc)*
A Stop at Willoughby (Scott)
A Passage for Trumpet (Murray)*
Disc 6:
Rod Intro (big eye version 2)
Stock music and library cues
BOX 2 (1960-1961)
Disc 7:
Rod Intro (season 2, original version)*
Etrange #3, Milieu #2 (Constant)
King Nine Will Not Return (Steiner)
The Trouble with Templeton (Alexander)
Eye of the Beholder (Herrman)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Constant)
CBS Production Card
Disc 8 (Goldsmith):
Rod Intro (revised version)
Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room
Dust
Back There
The Invaders
Disc 9:
A Hundered Yards Over The Rim (Steiner)
Marius Constant Library Cues (Etrange, Kant, Milieu, Tarn, Menton, A-Story, F-Story, etc.)*
Stock music and library cues
Unused theme music
BONUS DISC:
Marty Manning concept album
BOX 3 (1961-1962)
Disc 10:
Rod Intro (Season 3 V 1)
Two (Van Cleave)
The Midnight Sun (Van Cleave)*
The Passersby (Steiner)
Disc 11:
Still Valley (Hatch)*
The Hunt (Drasnin)*
The Last Rites of Jeff Myrtlebank (Morgan)*
Once Upon a Time (Lava)*
Young Mans Fancy (Scott)*
Disc 12:
Rod Intro (Season 3 V 2)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #2 (Hermann arranged version)*
Little Girl Lost (Hermann)*
I Sing The Body Electric (MONO VERSION, Van Cleave)*
Hocus Pocus and Frisby (Morgan)*
The Gift (Almeida)*
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Hermann arrangement, unedited version)*
Disc 13:
I Sing The Body Electric (STEREO VERSION)
"Punctuation Showcase" (Van Cleave)*
"Serling" (Drasnin)*
Additional Stock cues
Entrange #3/Milieu #1 (Hermann arrangement, on-air version)*
CBS Production Card*
BOX 4 (1963):
Disc 14 (Steiner):
Rod Intro (Season 4 and 5)
Mute*
Miniature*
Disc 15:
Jess-Belle (Van Cleave)*
Passage on the Lady Anne (Garrigeunc)*
Disc 16 (Steiner):
I Dream of Genie *
The Bard*
Disc 17:
Stock and Alternates
BOX 5 (1963-1964)
Disc 18:
Steel (Van Cleave)*
A Kind of Stopwatch (Van Cleave)*
In Praise of Pip (Garrigeunc)*
Spur of the Moment (Garrigeunc)*
Disc 19:
Living Doll (Hermann)*
Ninety Years Without Slumbering (Hermann)*
From Agnes With Love (Possibly lost, Van Cleave)*
Black Leather Jackets (Possibly lost, Van Cleave)*
Disc 20:
Queen of the Nile (Moraweck)*
Ceasar and Me (Possibly lost, Shores)*
Mr. Garrity and The Graves (Possibly lost, Morgan)*
Come Wander With Me (Alexander)*
Disc 21:
Le Rive de Hibou (Lanoe)
Stock
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...I personally think it would be a nice excuse to also include Goldsmith's totally-unreleased* score for another unsold pilot, The Sergeant and the Lady. This would have been his very first original TV theme, back in 1958, if it had gone to series...and personally I really dig the whole score, more than Man on the Beach. The whole score is less than 7 minutes long and would be a great inclusion for Goldsmith fans, since it was also used here in there in The Twilight Zone. ... a definitive Twilight Zone box set (if on the scale of the one LLL did for Lost in Space) could be also a good (I'd say the best!) excuse to release *all* of the "wild" CBS music library contributions, from the most famous composers who contributed to it like Herrmann and yes, Goldsmith. Many famous and beloved TZ episodes such as "To Serve Man" prominently used cues by these composers, sometimes fragmented and stitched together, but recognizable enough as "Twilight Zone music" that their inclusion here would probably make more sense than on a release for any other CBS show that might have used them but which would certainly have less sales appeal for a box set of this size, today.
I'm with you, but if the library music is to be included, a single set could outscale even the Star Trek 15 CD set. Because it's an anthology show, the composers might be more of a selling point factor with Twilight Zone, the works being more distinctive to them than the series. The situation with Zone is a little different from a show with more singular world, like Trek and Lost in Space. It lends to the music not needing to be presented chronologically by episode.
It might be good to release the first two sets as Herrmann in The Twilight Zone, with all of his scores, and all of his CBS Library music, and other nearby goodies; then Goldsmith in The Twilight Zone, with his scores complete and more accurate, as you've cited, and with all of his wild cues from the library. In such an arrangement, it might be easier, to say nothing of more appealing, for the producers to include all of that extra music from the time, the wild cues and pilot scores (that would be, what, 3-4 discs for Jerry?).
Then a final set could be made with the remaining composers' works, both for Zone and those composers' wild cues, as collected together by artist as can be done well, Music from The Twilight Zone vol. 3.
Basically, I'm affirming the arrangement of that 4CD set from Silva, which I thought was pretty well thought out.
Also, I have the learning experience of a sad relationship with the Trek box, in that I've been kind of on the fence, if more in favor of getting it, enough that it wasn't something I was going to save up for, then in those times when I have seriously considered having it, I just couldn't afford it. I came close last month during the sale, but it wasn't possible, and it looks like it's now going to be one I'll simply miss out on. However over its years of availability, when those times have hit that I was shopping for music, I think I certainly would have bought each of the three seasons' sets by now, if they had existed that way. Three $75 purchases is just easier to manage than the $225 (even the $170 last month, though I was really close to taking that plunge).
So there's self-interest in this idea, but I'm more behind the case above than the money issue for making sets more composer organized than season or episode organized.
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The Lichty Temptation
( go for it next sale!  )
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The Lichty Temptation
( go for it next sale! )
Heh! I'd love to, but I'll wager it's gone by then. They do one a year, right? In June? That one's already on a countdown.
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The Lichty Temptation
( go for it next sale! )
Heh! I'd love to, but I'll wager it's gone by then. They do one a year, right? In June? That one's already on a countdown.
Labor Day
be there!
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I have to be honest, I don't think I'd be up for a 'complete' box set.
Sometimes, that's too much.
I was very happy with the original five volumes issued by Varese Sarabande.
And, although I thought the Varese albums were much better in terms of packaging and sequencing, putting the music into more satisfying, not overlong listening programmes, I was also very happy with Silva Screen's box set and what that added.
I am certainly intrigued by Robert Townson's revelation in Yavar's interviews that he had planned to do a second Twilight Zone re-recording to follow up on the Herrmann set with a Goldsmith set. That's something I would have been in for.
Cheers
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I'd prefer a separate release of "Man on the Beach" (paired with another score, since I'm assuming it's too short by itself) rather than tack on one or two cues onto a set of scoring from another show.
Right now it would be the only way to hear the entire score.
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I have to be honest, I don't think I'd be up for a 'complete' box set.
Sometimes, that's too much.
I get that. But i feel it's only too much if you don't have the connection with the music that other people might. For example, the Star Trek TNG Ron Jones set is too much for me, but the Star Trek TOS Box Set wasn't because that's been music I've been connected with my whole life. Or the Lost in Space set was too much because my distaste for comedy music made the bulk of the middle section too hard to enjoy.
On the other hand, I would rather have "too much" than a highlights album that excludes my favorite cues. The Star Trek Enterprise and DS9 sets are a huge frustration in how they don't include cues (some are genuine fan favorites) I would sell my dead grandmother for. That's how it goes though: too much/not enough/just right. It all depends on what you want, I guess.
I'd love a complete Twilight Zone box. Also Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. 
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