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This is great....
If you take shot at the big finish of the film that would be awesome.
Yet another suggestion
LIONHEART (1987)
See if you can restore Goldsmiht's FINAL FIGHT Cue to picture, as I recall it's unscored in the final version of the film.
Ford A. Thaxton
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Very nice work Mr. Mutant. 
Is your day job in any way related to editing?
Oh, and before I forget: U.S. MARSHALS! COMPLETE!
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I can’t believe John Barry scored this fucking movie. What a horrible fit. Music good, but Jesus...
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I can’t believe John Barry scored this fucking movie. What a horrible fit. Music good, but Jesus...
Having got Barry to score the movie, they then dump his music!!!. I can only assume there was panic when they realised they had a dud movie and the test screen audience said they didn't like the music.
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The Mutant asked:
Ummm do we even know this was screened for a test audience?
According to Wikipedia:
Alan Silvestri (Back to the Future) was originally set to provide the film score but turned the project down. Paramount then turned to John Barry, who had just come off his award-winning score for Out of Africa. However, during post-production, Barry also left the project when both differences with the producers and test screening feedback presented considerable challenges for the composer. The test audience reaction had led the producers to consider replacing Barry's score with new music by Michel Colombier that, in contrast to Barry's work, was mostly "synthpop" (although there were some brief orchestral passages throughout). However, whilst Barry was ultimately superseded, some of his musical cues remain in the final cut of the film and one track, "Wisdom of the Ages", appeared on the first soundtrack release issued by Capitol Records.
Even without this, I would have said that it probably did have test screenings, because it was a Hollywood movie without a director strong enough to have prevented them.
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Years ago I read a story--going by memory, here, so a detail or so may be off--that Rachel portman was accepting some award and she read or showed the audience a cartoon where 2 movie producers were talking about their latest film. One of them says: "The acting sucks, the writing sucks, the direction sucks, the movie looks like hell . . . what can we do?" The other says (you guessed it) "Change the music."
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Jul 15, 2019 - 12:50 AM
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I remember reading an article in the magazine Cinefex about how drastically altered this film was after various test audience screenings. From what I remember, the film as originally written and shot was much more of a fantasy-adventure, which John Barry's score perfectly reflects. However, test audiences were very disappointed and angry that the film wasn't an action comedy in the vein of "Beverly Hills Cop" or "48 Hrs.," and because of this it got notoriously bad marks. In a panic the studio did everything they could to make it more like Eddie Murphy's previous films. Barry's score was tossed, and I believe certain scenes were reshot to place further emphasis on comedy. Another big change was that many scenes involving visual effects (with the exception of the Pepsi man) were deleted or cut down, including quite a bit of Phil Tippett's (actually very frightening-looking) stop-motion demon (which originally talked!). I believe there was also a scene involving a "wall of blood" that was cut. I wonder if any of this footage still exists? The final film is a mess, in my opinion, but I would watch the original version if it ever surfaced.
Colombier's re-score, from what I recall, sounds like a lot like the instrumental backing of Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer," which is about as far away from Barry's approach as you could get. I generally like Colombier but I don't think this score works in the film.
Anyway, Mutant, AMAZING job on this and other rejected score restorations. What a wonderful project you're undertaking. My suggestion for a possible future project - Elmer Bernstein's "Saturn 3," which is breathtaking on album but hardly any of it was used in the film.
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Jul 15, 2019 - 8:06 AM
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townerbarry
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The Mutant asked:
Ummm do we even know this was screened for a test audience?
According to Wikipedia:
Alan Silvestri (Back to the Future) was originally set to provide the film score but turned the project down. Paramount then turned to John Barry, who had just come off his award-winning score for Out of Africa. However, during post-production, Barry also left the project when both differences with the producers and test screening feedback presented considerable challenges for the composer. The test audience reaction had led the producers to consider replacing Barry's score with new music by Michel Colombier that, in contrast to Barry's work, was mostly "synthpop" (although there were some brief orchestral passages throughout). However, whilst Barry was ultimately superseded, some of his musical cues remain in the final cut of the film and one track, "Wisdom of the Ages", appeared on the first soundtrack release issued by Capitol Records.
Even without this, I would have said that it probably did have test screenings, because it was a Hollywood movie without a director strong enough to have prevented them.
The only time ones are Spielberg, Lucas, Disney...The Do Not Do Test Audiences.
And IMDB And Wikipedia are Fan Based.
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A lot of people say that Barry got the film wrong.
I disagree. In every single score restore I've seen, his score works really well.
What Barry got wrong wasn't the film, it was the audience, who wanted the Axel Foley treatment.
Cheers
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