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 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Watched this film for the first time in 30 years. And it got me thinking...

* Who created the dome world, humans or machines?

* Was carousel a way to control the human population? Or was there a more nefarious reason behind the renewal lie?

* Why are there no cats in the dome cities? Or pets of any kind? Seems odd humans would give up pets.

* Whats the point behind the ending? Yes, great the civilians won't be executed at age 30 anymore. But was there a bigger meaning behind the people leaving the domes? Like now they can grow old leading to over population, suffer disease and infections, be hunted by wild animals, fight over land and resources, etc. Is that really the better existence?

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Watched this film for the first time in 30 years. And it got me thinking...

* Who created the dome world, humans or machines?

* Was carousel a way to control the human population? Or was there a more nefarious reason behind the renewal lie?

* Why are there no cats in the dome cities? Or pets of any kind? Seems odd humans would give up pets.

* Whats the point behind the ending? Yes, great the civilians won't be executed at age 30 anymore. But was there a bigger meaning behind the people leaving the domes? Like now they can grow old leading to over population, suffer disease and infections, be hunted by wild animals, fight over land and resources, etc. Is that really the better existence?


Only going by the film itself (which is still one of my favorites), the creators of the dome were probably forgotten over time. Probably long dead, and the main computer took over. The citizens don't even question, it's just life to them. Those who do question...well...

I would assume it was a way to control the population. With the ceremony and the promise of renewal, it was a fun way to get them on board. Why believing exploding in mid air would be a great way to renew is not explained.

Pets would be a drain on resources. They have enough drugs and sex to not need pets. Maybe they died out due to a plague brought back from space. Wait, wrong film...

The ending set up the sequel we never got. But yeah, now they're free to live and grow old. And die of sepsis and whatnot. Marvel Comics started to explore the ramifications of post dome life before the comic was cancelled two issues after the movie adaptation.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Funny you should mention the Marvel Comics, I remember them well. I thought the art was fantastic and I was surprised how more graphic and bloody the comic was. Or at least from my recollection.

I agree on the ending. I assumed the message was living free is more important than living in comfort.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Why Sol, why?!

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Now there's a chicken and egg dish for sure. There isn't really a logical evolutionary framework that sets up the world to which we are introduced in LR.

In The Island (a deliberately parallel update of the LR storyline, IMO), there was a rationale for having genetic identical twins (agates) held in permanent isolation/captivity in a morally dubious predicament. You could possibly imagine a perversion of that leading to the Domed city scenario of Logan's run. A whole string of in-between events that leads to an isolated community. At the time of LR, one of the popular tenets of sci-fi was that of post nuclear apocalypse, although how anyone could build something so hi-tech as a fully inclusive artificial environment in a nuclear ravaged landscape which would take any civilisation back to bare bones living if it survived at all, is quite beyond me.

What's interesting about Logan's Run is it set up the environment for the cinema goer with minimal substantiation via dialog, etc, yet the audience would get the basic premise without too much trouble. In fact, the dialog is very limited and stunted which works if you accept it as a pretty dumb flick to begin with. If it said too much, the very loose ground upon which it already clung would have evaporated into thin air. So they gave a Planet Of The Apes reading of the situation where nothing more was assumed to be needed to be said in the language of the movie itself. As for getting out of the domes at the end, I believe it was an Apollo astronaut who said, "Man must explore!" What is an interesting aside from the story is - what would Logan's highly inquisitive nature have come to if he had not met Jessica?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I'd have made a run for it too.
With Jenny in the Gutter AND Farah Fawcett in my back pack.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2019 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Why Sol, why?!


With an emoji, yet?

Like someone else said in another thread:
"Why piss on the parade with negative comments?"

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2019 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


What's interesting about Logan's Run is it set up the environment for the cinema goer with minimal substantiation via dialog, etc, yet the audience would get the basic premise without too much trouble. In fact, the dialog is very limited- If it said too much, the very loose ground upon which it already clung would have evaporated into thin air. So they gave a Planet Of The Apes reading of the situation where nothing more was assumed to be needed to be said in the language of the movie itself.


That's a very good point and why I think the film works- at least while you're watching it. But us nerds inevitably start to think about things afterwards.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2019 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Why Sol, why?!


With an emoji, yet?

Like someone else said in another thread:
"Why piss on the parade with negative comments?"


The Marshall Ruination

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2019 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Regarding the film, I was pretty impressed with what it wanted to do and show.

Sure the dome city looked like a Gerry Anderson play-set but it was cool how the camera moved both in the opening shot of the film and inside the city. I was also impressed how they got those little "cars" in the travel tubes to move and the camera kept up with them.

While the matte painting are unconvincing today, they were impressive works of art and I love the majesty of it all.

As far as actual sets I believe the main "town square" was a brand new shopping mall in Texas and it looked quite futuristic. Another fine on location scene was the "desalination plant" at the end of the film.

The apartments and New You Shop were sort of Disco era dated, but then again the New You Shop looks like the Apple Store!

Some other sets were well designed like the "slum" areas and underground. I really love that shot with the giant fish tanks on one side of the wall. I have no idea how they did that. Was it a real set or a composite of some kind.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2019 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

The city backdrop paining wound up in Star Trek V behind "Admiral Bob." The city itself was really well designed and executed for the most part, but the outside needed to be a larger model.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2019 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The city backdrop paining wound up in Star Trek V behind "Admiral Bob." The city itself was really well designed and executed for the most part, but the outside needed to be a larger model.

Cool trivia, I didn't know that. And yes the model was very well designed.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2019 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

There's a scream in Logan's Run that should be the new Wilhelm. It's when the Sandmen attack the underworld and one runner gets shot in the back as he's running away. The scream was unintentionally hilarious! Hmmm, maybe it was the Wilhelm scream.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2019 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Another fine on location scene was the "desalination plant" at the end of the film.

That location is the Ft. Worth Water Gardens.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2019 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Another fine on location scene was the "desalination plant" at the end of the film.

That location is the Ft. Worth Water Gardens.


Very cool! There's even a web page for the location.

https://www.fortworth.com/things-to-do/attractions/fort-worth-water-gardens/

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2019 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

When FSM's Logan's Run CD came out I ordered it without hesitation because I'd always loved the film.

I decided to test my mom to see if she could identify the score, as I had done with many others. I credit her with any musicality I have, because my dad is not really a music fan.

I put the disc in the player and pressed play. Less than a second in (before the actual music started) she said "Logan's Run". And no, she didn't cheat.

I asked her how she'd got it so quickly.

She said the pulsating sound effect at the start of the film had always reminded her of coming out of anaesthesia after having me by Caesarian section. I was duly impressed.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2019 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'm sure this is mentioned in the liner notes but I thought it was interesting how Goldsmith used electronics for the dome city and full orchestration for the outside world. Even when they returned to the city he returned to electronics. When the civilians leave the city he returns to full orchestration.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2019 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

To bad we never got any Logan's Run model kits, though I believe Aurora was closing down around this time. Poor Addar didn't last long either. But I would've loved a model kit of Logan, Jessica and Box on diorama bases much like the POTA's kits.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2019 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Logan's Run original opening (reconstructed)


 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2019 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Logan's Run is the kind of film that's great - as long as you're a kid when you first watch it. Like The Omega Man, Theatre of Blood and many others.

Then you lose that ability to just enjoy stuff. It's sad really.

 
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