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 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)


I guess it depends for me. I can hear a feminate musical styling for Goldsmiths Supergirls theme. But wasn't Goldsmith writing what was visually presented to him with Supergirls ballerina type moves?

Take away the "Wonder Woman" chorus and using strictly the thematic television material I think it would work perfectly for Spider-Man.

Regarding the Wonder Woman film I think the music is pretty non gender specific. I can see it working for the Flash or Aquaman or even something as masculine as 300.


I'm out the door, but briefly, about Supergirl—a very good point, about Goldsmith creating her music in part because of her balletic flying sequence.

Are women or men, culturally and historically, more likely to be interested in and associated with ballet dance? (Baryshnikov and Billy Elliot aside!)

I don't think a superhero movie with a male hero has a ballet-like scene in which he explores his powers...and thus I don't think such a film has that kind of musical theme.

Lukas


I can only think of a waltz: the John Carter "leaping" sequence ("Gravity of the Situation"). That, together with the Supergirl balletic flying sequence, worked for me to enjoy both films.


 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I hope we can manage this without the thread getting locked. A lot of this makes me sad, but people not being able to talk to each other at all makes me sadder.

I would probably be able to read this thing if I didn't so much time reading threads like this.


Believe me; you're better.off.right here!
smile


No.

Learn what every composer and record label has over the years. Spend as little time here as possible for a happier healthier life.


It's all relative.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2019 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Last Child's "bitter dregs" comment reminded me of something (and I apologize to Lukas for going off topic again).
(I went over Getman's paper again to see if this was mentioned, but it looks like it wasn't--though I might be wrong.)

I always thought there was an obvious similarity between these 2 things.
Give a listen (and if this isn't trivial minutia, then I don't know what is!).

1) The aforementioned "Bitter Dregs"/"Maiden Wine":




2) "Summer Wine". Lee Hazlewood & Nancy Sinatra:




"Plato's Stepchildren" was late 1968 and Hazlewood's song was late 1966.
I always heard chordal and melodic similarities.
Do any of you?
Comments welcome.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2019 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

"Plato's Stepchildren" was late 1968 and Hazlewood's song was late 1966.
I always heard chordal and melodic similarities.
Do any of you?
Comments welcome.


Yes, definitely. It's either a great observation or common knowledge. Did Nimoy plagiarize?
I thought you were going to post a video of a woman playing "Bitter Dregs" - it seems like it should be coming from a woman's POV, given the thread.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2019 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Yes, definitely. It's either a great observation or common knowledge. Did Nimoy plagiarize?


For years I thought I couldn't possibly be the only one that thought this--until finding this place anyways.
I've never read anything regarding its authorship. Roddenberry I guess.
You would think that Getman's paper would have included a small section about it.


I thought you were going to post a video of a woman playing "Bitter Dregs" - it seems like it should be coming from a woman's POV, given the thread.




I really enjoyed that. Good find.
It's so damn hard to play and sing at the same time. All due respect well-earned.
But I think either gender would convey the lyrical content well--a protective mother or father imparting advice, perhaps.

The Hazlewood/Sinatra duets are just fantastic.
He was what I would call a man's man.
I bet women got pregnant just hearing those songs on the radio. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2020 - 1:55 AM   
 By:   DonaldRoberts   (Member)

Earlier this decade I was contacted by a scholar, Jessica Getman, writing a dissertation about the music to Star Trek: The Original Series.
https://essaytyper.pro
I forgot about it but recently remembered, and found it online—it's terrific!


I am curious whether this scholar included in her dissertation historical and analytical perspectives as it looks closer on the musical constructions we find in the music of the movies of Star Trek. I wonder what analytical tools combined with neo-Riemannian theory and transformational theory this thesis. Can you shed light on the inner workings ?

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2020 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Spambots sure are getting clever these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2020 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   TheIrishman   (Member)

I gave this a brief glance, and I suspect there is a lot of great material in there, however this is basically applying a far-left ideological lense to the subject matter: " it nevertheless reinforced the dominant
position of the white, heterosexual male in the United States’ social hierarchy."

To conflate basic classical liberal values with something uniquely "white", "heterosexual" and/or "male" before even getting beyond the introduction speaks volumes.

The " the white, heteronormative, male, American hero." description of Kirk is also telling regarding the focus.

And when I read " power theory, race and post-colonial theory, feminist and
queer theory," as methodologies, I don't see anything that is valid beyond the intersectional dogmatic lens.

With all due respect, I'll interpret Star Trek and it's music through the Classical Liberal lens, and not through an inherently bigoted, identitarian one.


Thank you for pointing this out and articulating, I fully agree. Even the title of the "dissertation" sounds sick already.

 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2020 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Thanks to the intrusion of the spambot and its inadvertent bump of the thread, I've been having a jolly time re-reading through it.
And then I burst out laughing when, from out of nowhere, Spin laid this one on us for the win!:


Thor be like…



Solium be like…



Wherever shall the twain meet?

 
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