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 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)


I guess it depends for me. I can hear a feminate musical styling for Goldsmiths Supergirls theme. But wasn't Goldsmith writing what was visually presented to him with Supergirls ballerina type moves?

Take away the "Wonder Woman" chorus and using strictly the thematic television material I think it would work perfectly for Spider-Man.

Regarding the Wonder Woman film I think the music is pretty non gender specific. I can see it working for the Flash or Aquaman or even something as masculine as 300.


I'm out the door, but briefly, about Supergirl—a very good point, about Goldsmith creating her music in part because of her balletic flying sequence.

Are women or men, culturally and historically, more likely to be interested in and associated with ballet dance? (Baryshnikov and Billy Elliot aside!)

I don't think a superhero movie with a male hero has a ballet-like scene in which he explores his powers...and thus I don't think such a film has that kind of musical theme.

Lukas


I can only think of a waltz: the John Carter "leaping" sequence ("Gravity of the Situation"). That, together with the Supergirl balletic flying sequence, worked for me to enjoy both films.


 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I hope we can manage this without the thread getting locked. A lot of this makes me sad, but people not being able to talk to each other at all makes me sadder.

I would probably be able to read this thing if I didn't so much time reading threads like this.


Believe me; you're better.off.right here!
smile


No.

Learn what every composer and record label has over the years. Spend as little time here as possible for a happier healthier life.


It's all relative.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2019 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Last Child's "bitter dregs" comment reminded me of something (and I apologize to Lukas for going off topic again).
(I went over Getman's paper again to see if this was mentioned, but it looks like it wasn't--though I might be wrong.)

I always thought there was an obvious similarity between these 2 things.
Give a listen (and if this isn't trivial minutia, then I don't know what is!).

1) The aforementioned "Bitter Dregs"/"Maiden Wine":




2) "Summer Wine". Lee Hazlewood & Nancy Sinatra:




"Plato's Stepchildren" was late 1968 and Hazlewood's song was late 1966.
I always heard chordal and melodic similarities.
Do any of you?
Comments welcome.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2019 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

"Plato's Stepchildren" was late 1968 and Hazlewood's song was late 1966.
I always heard chordal and melodic similarities.
Do any of you?
Comments welcome.


Yes, definitely. It's either a great observation or common knowledge. Did Nimoy plagiarize?
I thought you were going to post a video of a woman playing "Bitter Dregs" - it seems like it should be coming from a woman's POV, given the thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2019 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Yes, definitely. It's either a great observation or common knowledge. Did Nimoy plagiarize?


For years I thought I couldn't possibly be the only one that thought this--until finding this place anyways.
I've never read anything regarding its authorship. Roddenberry I guess.
You would think that Getman's paper would have included a small section about it.


I thought you were going to post a video of a woman playing "Bitter Dregs" - it seems like it should be coming from a woman's POV, given the thread.




I really enjoyed that. Good find.
It's so damn hard to play and sing at the same time. All due respect well-earned.
But I think either gender would convey the lyrical content well--a protective mother or father imparting advice, perhaps.

The Hazlewood/Sinatra duets are just fantastic.
He was what I would call a man's man.
I bet women got pregnant just hearing those songs on the radio. big grin

 
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