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 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I felt compelled to start a new thread on the subject separate from the score discussion.

It is apparent that many of you did not get the theme of the movie.

The movie has a kind of B-movie feel, and ignores some vital mechanics of space travel; but this is not the point of the movie. The space travel and immense gulfs between people, and all the dystopian paranoia are all a means to examine contemporary humanity.

If that elementary part of the movie’s theme eluded you, well, yes, the experience of watching the film will be quite turgid for you.

Let me put it into terms I know we will all get. Imagine it’s Wesley Crusher going to look for his long lost father, or a Picard or Riker who’s gone native, just in a contemplative way that Star Trek: The Next Generation doesn’t have time for.

...and if this thread degenerates into a Star Trek thread, there will be hell to pay.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm not sure I'd bring up STAR TREK:NG (seems like apples and oranges to me).
They did some dysfunctional parent-adult child episodes. Worf tracking down his father, Riker and his never-there dad, Wesley witnessing his dad's video and later disappearing from the series to follow some goofy alien. Too much hand-wringing and not contemplative enough for ya? wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I must be a big dummy because I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

yeah, we all got it, but it is just not a very good movie
It is not exactly a bad movie. I would give it 3 stars out of 5.
But it fails about as much as it succeeds.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

yeah, we all got it, but it is just not a very good movie
It is not exactly a bad movie. I would give it 3 stars out of 5.
But it fails about as much as it succeeds.


Did Thor change his screen name to BOAJ?
wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I haven't seen the film but "You Didn't Get It" is not a good argument. What you got out of it is subjective, the director failed to properly communicate its message or there's nothing to get.
It's like saying you didn't get 2001 or Blade Runner.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I enjoyed it too. It’s Hollywood daring to do something adult.

The people who’ve been steamrolled by media conglomerate hype (I’m looking at you, Disney and Netflix) into re-defining middlebrow entertainment as highbrow—and that’s a lot of people with good taste who should know better—will think this movie’s thematic ambitions overshot them.

If that’s the case for you, I suggest you watch it again without the escapist mindset. This is not a film catering to that mentality.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

I haven't seen the film but "You Didn't Get It" is not a good argument. What you got out of it is subjective, the director failed to properly communicate its message or there's nothing to get.
It's like saying you didn't get 2001 or Blade Runner.


"I haven't seen the film" and then launching into an argument is not a good argument, either.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I totally agree with you, Jackal. The critics don't seem to get that this is a HYBRID film -- it's not purely an INTERSTELLAR or 2001. It's also not a straight-up B movie. It's somewhere inbetween, and succeeds marvelously well in that regard. It's a very tricky tone mix to do.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

yeah, we all got it, but it is just not a very good movie
It is not exactly a bad movie. I would give it 3 stars out of 5.
But it fails about as much as it succeeds.


Did Thor change his screen name?
wink


Well I guess not.
Lol!

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I haven't seen the film but "You Didn't Get It" is not a good argument. What you got out of it is subjective, the director failed to properly communicate its message or there's nothing to get.
It's like saying you didn't get 2001 or Blade Runner.


"I haven't seen the film" and then launching into an argument is not a good argument, either.


My comments weren't in regards to the film.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

yeah, we all got it, but it is just not a very good movie
It is not exactly a bad movie. I would give it 3 stars out of 5.
But it fails about as much as it succeeds.


Did Thor change his screen name?
wink


Well I guess not.
Lol!


I don't know how you could confuse Ado with Thor. Of course Thor was gong to rave about it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

yeah, we all got it, but it is just not a very good movie
It is not exactly a bad movie. I would give it 3 stars out of 5.
But it fails about as much as it succeeds.


Did Thor change his screen name?
wink


Well I guess not.
Lol!


I don't know how you could confuse Ado with Thor. Of course Thor was gong to rave about it.


No. I meat BOAJ.

Remember the BATMAN AND ROBIN comments?

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

What's not to get when, for almost 2hrs, Pitt wouldn't shut the hell up about it?

Sorry to disappoint, while Gray may disavow Bergman, he's also hardly a Tarkovsky.

This sorta of 1st year, onanistic navel-gazing pasted onto a dumbed-down, dime store sci-fi thriller and then sold like a weighty philosophical meditation is such blatant hucksterism.

If Pitt wasn't starring, and they hadn't spend a billion dollars on the effects, no one would pay any attention to this movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

What's not to get when, for almost 2hrs, Pitt wouldn't shut the hell up about it?

Sorry to disappoint, while Gray may disavow Bergman, he's also hardly a Tarkovsky.

This sorta of 1st year, onanistic navel-gazing pasted onto a dumbed-down, dime store sci-fi thriller and then sold like a weighty philosophical meditation is such blatant hucksterism.

If Pitt wasn't starring, and they hadn't spend a billion dollars on the effects, no one would pay any attention to this movie.


yup, right on the money.

Gray fancies himself something like Kubrick, but he does not have the chops.
The voiceover, a total film killer.
It really does reach for something deeper, but it never gets there.
The ending here with the dad, strictly dull stuff, flat, dull, predictable and uninspired.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Sounds like they should have called the movie "Dad Astra" or "Ed Astra" (if his dad's name is Ed).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm still troubled that they used phaser effects when Kirk asked for photon torpedoes in "Balance of Terror."
EDIT: It's the reverse.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Spinmeister: This sorta of 1st year, onanistic navel-gazing pasted onto a dumbed-down, dime store sci-fi thriller and then sold like a weighty philosophical meditation is such blatant hucksterism.

Ado: yup, right on the money.

Gray fancies himself something like Kubrick, but he does not have the chops.
The voiceover, a total film killer.
It really does reach for something deeper, but it never gets there.
The ending here with the dad, strictly dull stuff, flat, dull, predictable and uninspired.


You two are proving my point. The movie is making the point that reaching for the stars, in the end, may be a simpler endeavor than reaching out to the person next to you.

If that’s too haughty, highbrow or pretentious for you, your Netflix or YouTube queue will be happy to provide you with false succor, I’m sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Spinmeister: This sorta of 1st year, onanistic navel-gazing pasted onto a dumbed-down, dime store sci-fi thriller and then sold like a weighty philosophical meditation is such blatant hucksterism.

Ado: yup, right on the money.

Gray fancies himself something like Kubrick, but he does not have the chops.
The voiceover, a total film killer.
It really does reach for something deeper, but it never gets there.
The ending here with the dad, strictly dull stuff, flat, dull, predictable and uninspired.


You two are proving my point. The movie is making the point that reaching for the stars, in the end, may be a simpler endeavor than reaching out to the person next to you.

If that’s too haughty, highbrow or pretentious for you, your Netflix or YouTube queue will be happy to provide you with false succor, I’m sure.


So you are basically saying it is supposed to be a bad movie, because if it was a good movie it would not be deep?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2019 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

The totally nonsensical plot points that served the story not at all, that killed it for me. I was also nodding off in this picture and I never do that in movie theaters. I even like Star Trek-The Motion Picture!

And I am sorry, but Tommy Lee Jones "craggy" face is tough to look at these days...

The visual effects were fine however.

 
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