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 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   Michal Turkowski   (Member)

Hello.

Im thinking about cd releases of wonderful Rozsa albums recirded in 70 for Polydor with Royal Philharmonic Orchestra.
Year after year, and those wonderful recordings still aren't released on cd.

We are close to 2020 and still dont know nothing about possible releases of this recordings.

Maybe someone from Rozsa society or from soundtrack labels knows something about this topic?

Are they any chances for cd releaes? Tapes are lost or maybe some right issues?

It is sad, because those albums are fantastic performances.

Michal

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 3:31 AM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

I agree- sure hope they might be released. Great stuff!

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I think these are on Intrada's agenda. There was some discussion on this before but can't recall which forum.

Also can anyone list down all those albums which came out on Polydor? I think one of them came out on Angel records which was issued on cd.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

There were three. The Angel album was earlier.

They are:

1975 MR conducts His Great Film Music
1976 MR Conducts the RPO
1977 Rozsa Conducts Rozsa

All first-rate.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Previous thread:

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=114349&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I think these are on Intrada's agenda. There was some discussion on this before but can't recall which forum.

I've read that for so many years, & I just don't believe it anymore. I'm sure Mr Fake would love to release these recordings, & they wouldn't be on the back burner for 20 years if there wasn't a good reason; legal stuff? Lost tapes?

I'd love to be wrong.

These three Polydor albums & Francis Lai's Hello-Goodbye are the only soundtrack LP's I'm waiting for now.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

I think these are on Intrada's agenda. There was some discussion on this before but can't recall which forum.

I've read that for so many years, & I just don't believe it anymore. I'm sure Mr Fake would love to release these recordings, & they wouldn't be on the back burner for 20 years if there wasn't a good reason; legal stuff? Lost tapes?

I'd love to be wrong.

These three Polydor albums & Francis Lai's Hello-Goodbye are the only soundtrack LP's I'm waiting for now.


Rights issues.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Insurmountable rights issues, or is there still hope Roger?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


I bought each LP as them came out. Always enjoyed them, so well done. I too hope some day we will see them on CD's.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I think these are on Intrada's agenda. There was some discussion on this before but can't recall which forum. I think one of them came out on Angel records which was issued on cd.

One of LPs had a U.S. issue on the prestige classical label DGG (Deutsche Grammophon Gesellschaft), which was associated with Polydor at the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I bought each LP as them came out. Always enjoyed them, so well done. I too hope some day we will see them on CD's.

I do too, but I'm not holding my breath that they'll be released as a nice comfy 2 CD set instead of a pointless 3CD one or worse, individually. But everyone is so obsessed with 'the original album'....

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Roger Feigelson mentioned "rights issues", which I take to mean issues regarding the original movie studios and music publishers...

...which I'm guessing means that the current owner of these titles (Universal Music Group, if I'm not mistaken) would be the only commercial entity poised to issue these titles without further hassle.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2019 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   Polydor Polymath   (Member)



Rights issues.


I don't know why Roger would say that, as the album masters have gone missing for decades, so there'd be no real reason to even inquire about the rights.

Gordon Gray, who produced the second and third Polydor albums, told me years ago that he dearly wanted to put them on CD but couldn't locate the masters.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2019 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

It could very well be a rights issue and knowing that the masters are long gone, Intrada would perhaps wish to use pristine vinyl LPs (ala some of the Elmer Bernstein FSM box) and produce a new release that way.......

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2019 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Gordon Gray, who produced the second and third Polydor albums, told me years ago that he dearly wanted to put them on CD but couldn't locate the masters.

See Luke 15:32. These things can happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2019 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

There are many reasons that this releases might be held up


1.) they can't find the masters, very possible but if a label wanting to license it would be willing to rip it from the LPS wouldn't be unheard of and could be done quite well today.

2.) Lost Paperwork
It's also possible they just can't find the paperwork for these releases and it's vastly safer to just say no then chancing a law suit if someone comes out of the woodwork.

3.) Ownership
It's also possible that the ownership of the masters is a little murky and there is a question as to who currently owns it. Also if the paperwork is indeed misplaced UMG just feels it's just not worth the time and effort to resolve any of these issues.

these are just wild guesses on my part based on my experience, as far as I'm concerned these are stunning releases that deserve to be released.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

As to Ford's comments that doing these releases from pristine lps I will say this:

A few years ago I purchased from a reputable mail-order dealer 2 Rozsa cds that I knew contained the exact same suites as the 3 Polydor releases. When I received the the discs it was obvious from the packaging that the cds were either boots or low-budget affairs. However, the sound is quite good, if not up to 2019 re-mastering standards.

The suites are the same, though not in the same order as on the lps.

So, yes, using pristine lps for these releases will definitely work.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2019 - 10:43 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

They are real quiet pressings, too.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2019 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


So, yes, using pristine lps for these releases will definitely work.






Roger F. said the problem was rights issues.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2019 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   mistermike   (Member)

I tracked down these three LPs at Discogs:

https://www.discogs.com/The-Royal-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Miklós-Rózsa-Conducts-His-Great-Film-Music/release/5440930

https://www.discogs.com/Miklós-RózsaRoyal-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Miklós-Rózsa-Conducts-His-Great-Film-Music/master/1145415
(same as Polydor album above, but this is release on Deutsche Grammophon, I was not aware of this)

https://www.discogs.com/Miklós-Rózsa-Conducting-The-Royal-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Miklós-Rózsa-Conducting-The-Royal-Philh/release/7549602
(Polydor, not reissued as far as I know)

https://www.discogs.com/Royal-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Conducted-By-Miklós-Rózsa-Rózsa-Conducts-Rózsa/release/2866284
(Polydor, also released on DGG, below)

https://www.discogs.com/Royal-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Conducted-By-Miklós-Rózsa-Rózsa-Conducts-Rózsa-Volume-2/release/9495926
(this is the same as the one directly above, this is DGG release)

I recall at least one of these was issued on Dolby reel-to-reel tape.

 
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