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 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I hope Doug will ignore the pundits of gloom and make JOAN OF ARC his next kickstarter. It's a great score and I know he has talked about doing it for years. With our contributions and hopefully the Friedhofer family,I am sure such a project would be a success.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Here is a great truth that no one really wants to say
Hugo Friedhofer is a tough sell in the current market.

Of course I don't know how Intrada's more recent Paramount-sourced Friedhofer offerings sold, but what Intrada released of his Fox stuff tended to be a pretty quick sell! Of course that was 8-12 years ago now I think, but I recall quite a few 1500-copy (and maybe the occasional 2000-copy) Friedhofer releases selling out fairly promptly from them, on a consistent basis. And of course Kritzerland's 1000-copy release of the complete One-Eyed Jacks sold so well that Bruce produced an Encore edition!

Bruce has repeatedly said that he would release any Friedhofer he can get his hands on, no matter the sales, so I have a feeling that most of what can be affordably released has been released. I hope I'm wrong and more comes out though. Maybe there are a few things left in those Paramount vaults.

I hope Doug will ignore the pundits of gloom and make JOAN OF ARC his next kickstarter. It's a great score and I know he has talked about doing it for years. With our contributions and hopefully the Friedhofer family,I am sure such a project would be a success.

The nice thing about Kickstarter is that if there really isn't enough interest in a product, it just doesn't happen and the label isn't out any money (as far as I know Kickstarter only takes their cut after a project successfully funds). So Intrada could give it a shot, and if Joan of Arc doesn't fund they say "oh well" and move on to another potential recording. It's worth pointing out that Friedhofer's Joan of Arc managed a fourth place (out of eight, so in the top half!) finish in Intrada's unofficial "next recording" poll:
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7967&sid=ae66a4b6b217a031d38208c5d0991e18

I would submit that if Friedhofer really did sell as terribly as you say, Ford, they probably wouldn't have bothered including him in the poll at all. (They didn't include an option for a score by Alex North, or my beloved Roy Webb, or even the great Alfred Newman!) They know better than anyone recently how Friedhofer sells, because of the Paramount scores of his they put out. And somehow Friedhofer managed a fourth place finish in that poll behind heavy hitters Goldsmith (Black Patch/Face of a Fugitive twofer), Rozsa (The Jungle Book), and Herrmann (Man Who Knew Too Much). So...no surprise there I guess, right? But somehow with Joan of Arc, Hugo still handily beat scores by supposedly more popular composers like Tiomkin (Strangers on a Train) and Waxman (Suspicion) -- and those also being well known Hitchcock films, one cannot argue that the titles and music are unfamiliar to film music fans.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Hugo Friedhofer is a tough sell in the current market.

I still like his buns.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Clearly some hamburger bun impostor is trying to capitalize off Hugo Friedhofer's famous name... but they messed up by leaving out the "d". wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I seem to recall from an old lp boot that The Bandit of Sherwood Forest was a pretty good score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I seem to recall from an old lp boot that The Bandit of Sherwood Forest was a pretty good score.

Yes, but not nearly as good as JOAN OF ARC.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


My Friedhofer most wanted:

JOAN OF ARC
HONDO
VERA CRUZ

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2019 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

My Friedhofer most wanted:

JOAN OF ARC
HONDO
VERA CRUZ


I would love to see all 3 of them as Intrada's next 3 kickstarters.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2019 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

My Friedhofer most wanted:

JOAN OF ARC
HONDO
VERA CRUZ


I would love to see all 3 of them as Intrada's next 3 kickstarters.




Cody, see if you can convince Roger and Doug. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I coulda swore Chelsea Rialto released BODY AND SOUL (1947).
There are two uncredited orchestrators on imdb, possibly for source music or the montage. The music I noticed sounded like Hugo, but I wasn't paying attention.

Music Department
Emil Newman ... conductor
Rudolph Polk ... musical director
Gil Grau ... orchestrator (uncredited)
Jerome Moross ... orchestrator (uncredited)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I know that FSM released Earle Hagen's I Spy scores, but didn't Friedhofer score a number of episodes? If so, I don't think they have ever been released in any formt.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I know that FSM released Earle Hagen's I Spy scores, but didn't Friedhofer score a number of episodes? If so, I don't think they have ever been released in any formt.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I know that FSM released Earle Hagen's I Spy scores, but didn't Friedhofer score a number of episodes? If so, I don't think they have ever been released in any formt.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2019 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Nuff caffeine, villagardens

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2019 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I know that FSM released Earle Hagen's I Spy scores, but didn't Friedhofer score a number of episodes? If so, I don't think they have ever been released in any formt.

The first FSM release (now oop) was all Earle Hagen, but there are a few tracks by Hugo on the 2nd release which was from the re-recording LP's. Still available.
https://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/471/I-Spy-Vol.-2%E2%80%94The-LPs/

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2019 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I've been watching some old Warner Bros./Max Steiner movies on TCM, and seeing Hugo Friedhofer listed as his arranger. This as late as 1946 (A Stolen Life -- good movie, btw).

I'll bet Friedhofer did some ghostwriting for Steiner on those projects.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2019 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I've been watching some old Warner Bros./Max Steiner movies on TCM, and seeing Hugo Friedhofer listed as his arranger. This as late as 1946 (A Stolen Life -- good movie, btw).

I'll bet Friedhofer did some ghostwriting for Steiner on those projects.


Friedhofer was one of the seven composers who helped out Steiner on his mammoth score for "Gone With The Wind".

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2022 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Bride of Vengeance! Such an obscure film, I've just discovered it. Friedhofer at his best for this odd historical tale.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2022 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'm a fan, too! Did you happen to notice how much more music was in the film? I know that most of the Paramount Friedhofer materials Intrada had available to use for those releases were incomplete, alas. Friedhofer seems to have had bad luck at multiple studios in terms of many of his greatest scores surviving only partially (or sometimes not at all, like White Feather).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2022 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

We all know by now that no musical elements exist for JOAN OF ARC. To have a release of this score would have to come from a new recording. I assume the same situation exists for VERA CRUZ. Another one would be Batjac's HONDO in which Friedhofer shares credit with Emil Newman in the opening credits.

 
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