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 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Roger Feigelson writes:

Just aheads up that we're taking Nov off but will be back with hopefully four releases to close out December.

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8294

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Though I think it's unintentional, I like the ideas:

1. No competition for the Black Friday titles from LLLR. People with more limited budgets don't have to pick one or the other titles.

2. With four in one month, people overseas can save on shipping with bundling.



Now if only we can get some clues so random flailing can occur.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I would imagine the reason that Roger didn’t post any clues is because they’re not entirely sure what will be in the December batch (he also said it would hopefully contain four releases, indicating that amount is not definite). Then again, we were supposed to get a Disney score last week (but got Crawl instead), so it’s possible that might be in the batch.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well we've gotten clues for some of these over the past month or two, such as the Disney premiere, off the top of my head. And most importantly we have the list of composers Roger gave us for the second half of 2019 (though I'm sure some of these have been pushed to 2020 now):

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8195

"Jerry Fielding, Bruce Broughton, Christopher Young, John Barry, Bill Conti, Lalo Schifrin, Kenyon Hopkins, Frank DeVol, John Barry, Elmer Bernstein, Jerry Goldsmith, and maybe but who knows Basil Poledouris"

We also have litefoot's comment in the same thread which points out,
"James Horner was on Roger's list in his March post, but is not on this one, so either the planned title has been delayed, or he meant to put James Horner but instead typed John Barry twice. smile

Hugo Friedhofer, Sylvester Levay and Laurence Rosenthal were also on the March list, so perhaps their titles have been delayed as well."

And Roger replied, "Keep in mind this isn't a comprehensive list..it's just titles more or less in the bag. Except for Basil. Still a wild card. Not insurmountable, but will take time."

---

So, ticking off the composers on that list since Roger posted it on June 17th, we have (in order):
Chato's Land (Jerry Fielding)
Young Sherlock Holmes (Bruce Broughton)
Virtuosity (Christopher Young)
Downhill Racer (Kenyon Hopkins) -- diverging from Roger's order at this point
King Rat (John Barry)
Howard the Duck (John Barry and Sylvester Levay) -- so it seems Roger's inclusion of Barry twice in his list may have been intentional, and I'm also assuming his Levay mention was because of his contribution to this score, rather than a separate score
The Amazing Mr. Blunden (Elmer Bernstein)

That leaves as possibilities for December: Bill Conti, Lalo Schifrin, Frank DeVol, Jerry Goldsmith, "maybe but who knows" Basil Poledouris, and possibly Hugo Friedhofer or Laurence Rosenthal who were on the earlier March list. It's also possible that there might be a composer not on any of Roger's lists, but these are the ones we know that Intrada is working on.

The one that I am reasonably sure about is the Lalo Schifrin, which I think is also the 70s Disney premiere we've been hearing about: Return from Witch Mountain (1978), which is the first sequel to Escape to Witch Mountain (1975) for which Intrada already premiered Johnny Mandel's score a few years ago. Of course, that same year Disney also released The Cat from Outer Space, which *also* featured a never-released Lalo Schifrin score, so it's just as possible I suppose, though I think it more likely that Intrada might continue releasing the scores for a franchise which they already began. (I only hope that they can one day manage my beloved George Duning's score for the TV movie Beyond Witch Mountain from 1982, but I fear that like Schifrin's Earth Star Voyager that may be off limits since it's TV, and so far Intrada has not gained access to that catalogue, which is why they couldn't do DuckTales by Ron Jones when they pursued it.)

The Basil Poledouris score in the works is most likely the long-gestating Conan the Destroyer. I wonder why it's been delayed so many years after the score for the original film. I hope they're going to include The Adventures of Conan: Sword and Sorcery Spectacular short score as a bonus, as Tadlow did. (This was originally announced to be on BSX's Vol. 1 of their Poledouris series, but was later removed from the tracklisting -- perhaps because a different label had already licensed it?) It's wonderful and deserves a wider release than the old SuperTracks promo. (It also had the best orchestral performance by far of the original Poledouris trilogy, being the only one of his three Conan scores to be recorded in London instead of Italy.)

One other thing we also know is that when the Sony Music sub-licensing moratorium occurred earlier this year, Roger said that Intrada had two expansions of Sony albums that were in the works and still happening because they got in under the wire. All of Goldsmith's score albums originally on Sony have been expanded, so he's out there(unless Intrada planned a reissue of something like In Harm's Way). But if any scores by Conti, DeVol, Friedhofer, or Rosenthal had original score releases on a Sony Music-owned label (including RCA, BMG, Epic, Arista, etc.) then they might be likely...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

As usual, we'll get the late year release of a Silver Age title by Jerry Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Well we've gotten clues for some of these over the past month or two, such as the Disney premiere, off the top of my head. And most importantly we have the list of composers Roger gave us for the second half of 2019 (though I'm sure some of these have been pushed to 2020 now):

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8195

"Jerry Fielding, Bruce Broughton, Christopher Young, John Barry, Bill Conti, Lalo Schifrin, Kenyon Hopkins, Frank DeVol, John Barry, Elmer Bernstein, Jerry Goldsmith, and maybe but who knows Basil Poledouris"

We also have litefoot's comment in the same thread which points out,
"James Horner was on Roger's list in his March post, but is not on this one, so either the planned title has been delayed, or he meant to put James Horner but instead typed John Barry twice. smile

Hugo Friedhofer, Sylvester Levay and Laurence Rosenthal were also on the March list, so perhaps their titles have been delayed as well."

And Roger replied, "Keep in mind this isn't a comprehensive list..it's just titles more or less in the bag. Except for Basil. Still a wild card. Not insurmountable, but will take time."

---

So, ticking off the composers on that list since Roger posted it on June 17th, we have (in order):
Chato's Land (Jerry Fielding)
Young Sherlock Holmes (Bruce Broughton)
Virtuosity (Christopher Young)
Downhill Racer (Kenyon Hopkins) -- diverging from Roger's order at this point
King Rat (John Barry)
Howard the Duck (John Barry and Sylvester Levay) -- so it seems Roger's inclusion of Barry twice in his list may have been intentional, and I'm also assuming his Levay mention was because of his contribution to this score, rather than a separate score
The Amazing Mr. Blunden (Elmer Bernstein)

That leaves as possibilities for December: Bill Conti, Lalo Schifrin, Frank DeVol, Jerry Goldsmith, "maybe but who knows" Basil Poledouris, and possibly Hugo Friedhofer or Laurence Rosenthal who were on the earlier March list. It's also possible that there might be a composer not on any of Roger's lists, but these are the ones we know that Intrada is working on.

The one that I am reasonably sure about is the Lalo Schifrin, which I think is also the 70s Disney premiere we've been hearing about: Return from Witch Mountain (1978), which is the first sequel to Escape to Witch Mountain (1975) for which Intrada already premiered Johnny Mandel's score a few years ago. Of course, that same year Disney also released The Cat from Outer Space, which *also* featured a never-released Lalo Schifrin score, so it's just as possible I suppose, though I think it more likely that Intrada might continue releasing the scores for a franchise which they already began. (I only hope that they can one day manage my beloved George Duning's score for the TV movie Beyond Witch Mountain from 1982, but I fear that like Schifrin's Earth Star Voyager that may be off limits since it's TV, and so far Intrada has not gained access to that catalogue, which is why they couldn't do DuckTales by Ron Jones when they pursued it.)

The Basil Poledouris score in the works is most likely the long-gestating Conan the Destroyer. I wonder why it's been delayed so many years after the score for the original film. I hope they're going to include The Adventures of Conan: Sword and Sorcery Spectacular short score as a bonus, as Tadlow did. (This was originally announced to be on BSX's Vol. 1 of their Poledouris series, but was later removed from the tracklisting -- perhaps because a different label had already licensed it?) It's wonderful and deserves a wider release than the old SuperTracks promo. (It also had the best orchestral performance by far of the original Poledouris trilogy, being the only one of his three Conan scores to be recorded in London instead of Italy.)

One other thing we also know is that when the Sony Music sub-licensing moratorium occurred earlier this year, Roger said that Intrada had two expansions of Sony albums that were in the works and still happening because they got in under the wire. All of Goldsmith's score albums originally on Sony have been expanded, so he's out there(unless Intrada planned a reissue of something like In Harm's Way). But if any scores by Conti, DeVol, Friedhofer, or Rosenthal had original score releases on a Sony Music-owned label (including RCA, BMG, Epic, Arista, etc.) then they might be likely...

Yavar


Let’s not forget that they also have a Max Steiner score in the works that was initially supposed to come out last year. Of course, the Steiner may have been cancelled, but you never know.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

As usual, we'll get the late year release of a Silver Age title by Jerry Goldsmith.

Has Roger or Doug actually ever said anything about what era the Goldsmith score comes from?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

As usual, we'll get the late year release of a Silver Age title by Jerry Goldsmith.

Has Roger or Doug actually ever said anything about what era the Goldsmith score comes from?

Yavar


Also see the previous years releases:
Damnation Alley
The Reincarnation of Peter Proud

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 11:26 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

As usual, we'll get the late year release of a Silver Age title by Jerry Goldsmith.

Great if so. Wouldn't mind. At all.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Someone here posted (can't recall which thread) that Rosenthal's Mussolini was going to be re-released.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well, I don't know how much of an established pattern a sample size of two is, but if Goldsmith IS among the three non-Disney releases coming from Intrada this September, here are some possibilities (excluding Varese-owned titles, although LLL successfully sub-licensed with them recently for PotA so who knows?), taken from my ongoing thread here, "What Goldsmith scores are left to release?"
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=90657&forumID=1&archive=0

Take Her, She's Mine (Fox) -- His first ever score to a comedy feature, Varese claimed tapes for this were unsalvageable in their Fox Box notes, but as with other scores, that may no longer be true thanks to new technology. If released, I'd buy it as a completist of course, but this is actually one of Goldsmith's more undistinguished efforts, a little bit above I.Q. on the totem pole. I speak from experience as I recently watched the film to produce a complete score breakdown (I also appended the official cue titles which I found later, lower in the thread): http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=113552&forumID=1&archive=0

CBS Playhouse: The People Next Door -- This is essentially a TV movie, and the score's main title foreshadows Chinatown. I will be doing a complete score breakdown on it in the future.

Lights Out (NBC) -- I think this was a horror pilot for a show that never went to series. It's something the Goldsmith Odyssey has been searching for on video, for some time now. It would be neat if someone released the score even while the program itself is MIA (as has happened occasionally, like with The Lineup, Archer, or The Going Up of David Lev).

Crawlspace (CBS) -- I don't believe it's ever been confirmed that the original recording for this is lost, but despite being one of Goldsmith's best unreleased works, no one has put it out yet so perhaps that doesn't bode well. I recently finished a full watch of the film and did a complete score breakdown with "advance liner notes" here: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116952&forumID=1&archive=0

Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (ABC, which I believe is Disney-owned like Fox?) -- ditto, though I found this score much less interesting: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116974&forumID=1&archive=0

Anna and the King (Fox) -- while 16 minutes were included on the Varese Fox Box, they were from three episodes and that fact combined with some comments in the liner notes make me suspect Goldsmith recorded more for this series, which hopefully will be released complete in the future...my money's on Intrada pairing it with A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.

The Don Is Dead (Universal) -- obscure but if the tapes survive I'm sure it'll come out from one of the labels with a relationship with the studio, and Intrada is one

Indict and Convict (ABC TV, produced by Universal) -- the main and end titles sound very promising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lLxFz3qxpQ
so too does this key cue (about two and a half minutes long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepgx3M9pq0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m55s

S*P*Y*S (Fox) -- while a substantial suite was included on the Fox Box, this would make a great standalone reissue with any remaining salvageable music, plus John Scott's score for the international version. I recently uncovered a complete cue list for Jerry's score, and discovered quite a good chunk of unreleased music. My findings are posted a little ways down this thread on the score, if you are interested: https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126278&forumID=1&archive=0

A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (Fox) -- As confirmed by zooba, Varese only released half of this lovely score on their Goldsmith at Fox box. Multiple lovely cues are unreleased, including this brief one he put on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iCdZRXGipI&feature=youtu.be

MacArthur (MCA --> UMG for album, film Universal) -- Intrada would be most likely to reissue/expand this. I think the LP was a re-recording, but even if it was the film recording it was not the complete score.

As you can see, there are fewer and fewer surviving things from this era for the labels to tackle, and most of those are TV. If we expand to consider more recent scores, there are at least three that seem within the realm of possibility (more if Varese's sublicensing cooperation continues):

Leviathan (MGM) -- DeputyRiley did a wonderful complete score breakdown here; I hope this one happens sooner or later, and apparently Varese does NOT maintain perpetuity rights on this title... near the bottom of this thread I appended an official complete cue list: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110196&forumID=1&archive=0

Mulan (Disney) -- if *anyone* can pull this off, it's Intrada. They have done every other Goldsmith/Disney collaboration, so it'd be fantastic if they could close the book on this for people who don't have the Academy promo...and supply some fantastic liner notes while they're at it. I hear Richard Kraft really pushed Goldsmith for this assignment and I suspect there's an interesting tale to be told about how he got the job.

The Last Castle (Decca --> UMG for album, film Dreamworks) -- presumably Intrada (outside chance of LaLaLand) might snag this, and I hope they do as there is some excellent music missing including some more powerful revised film versions of key cues...DeputyRiley did a wonderful complete score breakdown here, and near the bottom of this thread I appended the official unreleased cue titles found elsewhere: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110369&archive=0

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I think all the labels should just do one batch per month going forward. Shipping prices have gotten ridiculous and bundling is more and more important

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Watch for my new hit single:

"While My Wallet Gently Weeps"

Promises to be groovy!

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Watch for my new hit single:

"While My Wallet Gently Weeps"

Promises to be groovy!


I also see this coming. The last few months have been pretty challening: the two John Barry releases, the Newman box set, the Waxman premiere, two Rota titles (one with previously unreleased material), a new Lavagnino...

I suspect Intrada, Quartet, MBR and Kritzerland will have many suprises before the year is over. La La Land will have some Silver Age or some more recent titles that are so essential that even those who are usually more attracted by Golden Age titles can't say no.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I'm avoiding this thread like a plague.... Or until actual INFORMATION is released!


" We want information... Information"
- Number Two

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   WhoDat   (Member)

I'm hoping the long-rumored Bruce Broughton set of his Disney theme park music is still in the pipeline!

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   WhoDat   (Member)

[double post]

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm avoiding this thread like a plague.... Or until actual INFORMATION is released!


" We want information... Information"
;- Number Two


Except, of course, this post.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


I'm hoping Intrada will finish 2019 with some great CD's in December.

I asked Roger at the Intrada board maybe last June did they still plan the Max Steiner CD and he said yes! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2019 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I wonder who now owns Frank DeVol's album of McLintock! (1963), or if the album tapes still exist?

 
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