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 Posted:   Nov 4, 2019 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I had seen 1962's 'Mutiny on the Bounty', many years ago, but only on video. The experience of the sound/picture quality decidedly not the best. Last evening I saw that Netflix added the film to their offerings and I got my bowl of popcorn ready for the 3+hours of viewing. I was immediately struck by the unexpected quality of the film. The first image was the printed signage: 'Overture', eventually followed by 'Intermission' and then 'Entre'Acte'. Each had it's own music. This is my favorite Bronislaw Kaper film score and in particular there's one scene that stands out from the others as it's a personal favorite. 'Leaving (Portsmouth) Harbor', near the beginning of the film. Kaper absolutely 'nailled it', the combination of imagery and his score was marvelous!
If you're too young to have ever been to one of those (long ago) 'Roadshow Film Showings', treat yourself to catching it now on Netflix. The film transfer looks like it's 'Blu-ray', not a speck of debris and the super wide-screen image will take your breath away, not to mention the 5:1 sound. Superb film and score!
Addendum: The film's Special Visual Effects. Way, way before CGI was invented, the craftsmanship of the Special Visual Effects in this film are truly amazing! They did it all, 'the old fashioned way', and the storm at sea as The Bounty sails under the tip of Tierra del Fuego STILL impresses with it's savagery and spectacle!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2019 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Warners restored the picture several years ago both on dvd and blu ray.
the entire Ultra Panavision image is there along with mucho restored color.

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2019 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

These are the evolutions of the true motion picture event, it's Golden era mission being to entertain and transport the masses to other worlds of pure cinematic immersion the likes of which, all too soon, would never again see the light of a true projection bulb.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2019 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Let's be clear, seriously - both DVD and Blu of Mutiny is hardly "restored" - it verges on being out of focus - the Blu is better a bit than the DVD, but this seriously needs a new transfer done correctly and this time from the original 65mm camera negative. Oh, that's right - you probably didn't know that the transfer used for DVD and Blu and that's show on cable is from a 35mm reduction element. THAT is why it doesn't resemble what a proper 65mm transfer should and would look like. But I'm glad everyone thinks it was "restored" and looks great.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I very much agree with Hainshisway here (& there's a fair few titles that Warner should revisit: The Searchers, Rio Bravo, Where Eagles Dare, The Wild Bunch, if they can do it with Batman Forever & Batman & Robin, then they can do it for this lot). And another thing, both on the DVD & Blu-ray, the deleted prologue & epilogue are in the wrong aspect ratio, everyone's tall & thin, it was like it on the DVD & I thought Warner were bound to correct on the Blu-ray, but no.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Seeing MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY in 70mm was a thrilling experience. The picture quality was stunning - I can still visualise it as one of the very best 70mm presentations ever. The current Blu-ray transfer of MUTINY is over 10 years old and nowhere near as good as Warner's Blu-rays of BEN-HUR or KING OF KINGS. Let's hope Warner Bros do indeed re-visit this using 65/70mm elements and give it the treatment it deserves.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Seeing MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY in 70mm was a thrilling experience. The picture quality was stunning - I can still visualise it as one of the very best 70mm presentations ever. The current Blu-ray transfer of MUTINY is over 10 years old and nowhere near as good as Warner's BEN-HUR or KING OF KINGS. Let's hope Warner Bros do indeed re-visit this using 65/70mm elements and give it the treatment it deserves.



I saw all three of the above films Roadshow at the same theater...New York’s magnificent Loews State. From my recollections Mutiny on the Bounty looked as good if not better than Ben- Hur or KoK. Yes, it is time for a new transfer...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

Oh, for FUCK'S sake people! Maybe the DVD/Blu-ray needs improving, maybe it doesn't. If you have a large Hi-Def flatscreen, just click on the film on Netflix and enjoy the film..'in the meantime', huh?. Life doesn't really need to be as difficult or complicated as, (some of you), seem to want to make it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Ha, fair enough smile It's just that these large format roadshow films could look so good, so fantastic. I know that we're spoiled rotten compared to the VHS days.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Just finished watching the Netflix print, and while I did see the softness issues mentioned above, I can safely say that it’s far from the worst HD master of a large format film I’ve seen. Some of MGM’s HD transfers for the United Artists roadshows are much worse (The Greatest Story Ever Told and The Hallelujah Trail especially). That said, I can see why it might need a new transfer.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2019 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Bligh's Spirit   (Member)

It should be mentioned that the DVD and Blu-ray include as bonus features the original prologue and epilogue (totaling 7 1/2 minutes) of a relief ship's arrival at Pitcairn Island, in which its captain (Torin Thatcher) learns the fate of the mutineers. Without this framing device, cut before release, much of the story's power, and reason for telling it, is lost.

It's a gorgeous film, impressive in scale and craftsmanship in a way that modern films cannot match, though its best moments are all in the first half before the vessel arrives at Tahiti. Now, if only Aaron Rosenberg, who'd produced a number of Anthony Mann's films at Universal, but never anything on this scale, had cast Peter Finch as Christian and Jack Hawkins as Bligh, he'd have had a hell of a great movie.

Kaper's score is probably his finest, its best moments the setting sail from Portsmouth Harbor, though the whole set-piece, and Kaper's treatment of it, are so obviously cribbed from Rozsa's cue of the Mayflower's leaving Plymouth Harbor in Plymouth Adventure.. Kaper can't touch Rozsa (who was offered the score what he knew to be a troubled production, turning it down for the opportunity to go to Madrid to score El Cid for Sam Bronston), but, hey, it's Rozsa, and nobody can touch him.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Just finished watching the Netflix print, and while I did see the softness issues mentioned above, I can safely say that it’s far from the worst HD master of a large format film I’ve seen. Some of MGM’s HD transfers for the United Artists roadshows are much worse (The Greatest Story Ever Told and The Hallelujah Trail especially). That said, I can see why it might need a new transfer.

It's a large format film. What you are watching was taken from a 35mm reduction negative many generations away from the 65mm camera negative. It looks nothing like it should.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2019 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Just finished watching the Netflix print, and while I did see the softness issues mentioned above, I can safely say that it’s far from the worst HD master of a large format film I’ve seen. Some of MGM’s HD transfers for the United Artists roadshows are much worse (The Greatest Story Ever Told and The Hallelujah Trail especially). That said, I can see why it might need a new transfer.

It's a large format film. What you are watching was taken from a 35mm reduction negative many generations away from the 65mm camera negative. It looks nothing like it should.


At the end of my post, I was agreeing that the film needed a new transfer (preferably from the negative). I was merely pointing out that there have been large format films that have faired worse than Mutiny.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Have to agree that this is a magnificent film, unfairly maligned in its day and to this day, by some people. Kaper's score is of course the apex of his career. As for picture quality, I only have what's labelled as a '2-Disc Special Edition', which no doubt someone will assure me is so poor I should be ashamed to watch it, but it looks okay to me. Of course, I don't have a 75" 4K TV so maybe that's the problem. Still, I'll go on enjoying the witty, incisive script, fabulous cinematography and stirring music regardless. That's the kind of ignorant peasant I am. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 4:33 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

It should be mentioned that the DVD and Blu-ray include as bonus features the original prologue and epilogue (totaling 7 1/2 minutes) of a relief ship's arrival at Pitcairn Island, in which its captain (Torin Thatcher) learns the fate of the mutineers. Without this framing device, cut before release, much of the story's power, and reason for telling it, is lost.

I rather thought that the framing device (included in the first telecast) was contrived to lend "uplift" to a story that had ended in a downbeat tragedy. Metro tried the same thing with MADAME BOVARY a decade earlier.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Have to agree that this is a magnificent film, unfairly maligned in its day and to this day, by some people. Kaper's score is of course the apex of his career. As for picture quality, I only have what's labelled as a '2-Disc Special Edition', which no doubt someone will assure me is so poor I should be ashamed to watch it, but it looks okay to me. Of course, I don't have a 75" 4K TV so maybe that's the problem. Still, I'll go on enjoying the witty, incisive script, fabulous cinematography and stirring music regardless. That's the kind of ignorant peasant I am. smile

My 2 disc warner home video edition went kaput, one disc is unplayable. I then purchased the blu-ray which was only a slight upgrade. This can sure benefit from an full restoration from 65mm elements.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

How does a DVD go kaput?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

How does a DVD go kaput?


It freezes andino longer plays. Happened fo severaloc my warner home video DVDs

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I watched this on laser disc.
Was that from 65mm or 35mm?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2019 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I watched this on laser disc.
Was that from 65mm or 35mm?


There has never been a transfer of this film from the 65mm negative. All from a 35mm reduction negative.

 
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