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I've just recently delved into the first two chapters of the Mandalorian score and I must admit, although not the Star Wars type score we were all hoping for, well it is Ludwig after all, it's hard, gritty, sometimes melodic, bit I did find myself skipping past the Mad Max type bits quite a lot.. Don't know what you all think of it but it does have a new approach. Can't wait to see it though.
6 chapters (cd releases) to go.
It’s “new” music for Star Wars but not in the music-cultural landscape. I think BORDERLANDS did it way better, and 10 years ago no less. Do yourself a favor and listen to either Borderlands 1 or 2.
I find the beats and bass synth drops of this to be annoying. It doesn’t really feel fresh or original in any way. It’s kind of like his use of trap beats in Black Panther - just really on the nose and kind of embarrassing to listen to.
I wish Jesper Kyd had been tapped for this project instead.
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Nov 18, 2019 - 2:19 AM
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Thor
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As we've discussed in the other MANDALORIAN thread: Didn't care for the music in the first episode, didn't care for the music in the second. It's a shame, because the series is very good (love the absence of dialogue in most of the second episode, for example). I'm all for doing a different take on the music of the universe, but at least do it with some style. With that little Yoda baby, for example, why not use the opportunity to hint at Williams' theme? Feel free to update it or re-arrange it or whatever, you don't have to do it verbatim, but at least more than a couple of slight chord leaps.
The score is really a missed opportunity, IMO.
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Nov 18, 2019 - 2:22 AM
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Cinefanart
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As we've discussed in the other MANDALORIAN thread: Didn't care for the music in the first episode, didn't care for the music in the second. It's a shame, because the series is very good (love the absence of dialogue in most of the second episode, for example). I'm all for doing a different take on the music of the universe, but at least do it with some style. With that little Yoda baby, for example, why not use the opportunity to hint at Williams' theme? Feel free to update it or re-arrange it or whatever, you don't have to do it verbatim, but at least more than a couple of slight chord leaps.
The score is really a missed opportunity, IMO.
The missed opportunity thing, yes agreed, and can’t help thinking Disney are weening us off all ties with the saga, slowly but surely
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Nov 18, 2019 - 2:25 AM
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Cinefanart
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As we've discussed in the other MANDALORIAN thread: Didn't care for the music in the first episode, didn't care for the music in the second. It's a shame, because the series is very good (love the absence of dialogue in most of the second episode, for example). I'm all for doing a different take on the music of the universe, but at least do it with some style. With that little Yoda baby, for example, why not use the opportunity to hint at Williams' theme? Feel free to update it or re-arrange it or whatever, you don't have to do it verbatim, but at least more than a couple of slight chord leaps.
The score is really a missed opportunity, IMO.
The missed opportunity thing, yes agreed, and can’t help thinking Disney are weening us off all ties with the saga, slowly but surely. That could be dangerous.
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To be precise, I don't think the SERIES is a missed opportunity. As I said, I love it so far -- so kudos to Disney for that. I was mainly talking about the score.
So was I. Not seen the series as it hasn’t touched our shores yet.....
I agree about the missed opportunity. I thought the music was really generic and often was too loud and noisy when it should have been absent or more quiet. It just completely lacked any musical through-line, which doesn't only have to happen with orchestral themes - it just needs consistency and structure.
Seriously, listen to BORDERLANDS 1 - I picked some songs for you:
"Enter Skag Gully" - starts with weird noises that would fit perfectly
"Removing the Bandit Threat" - could literally be used for any traveling shots in the show
"Traversing the Deep" - great use of bass drops that aren't over-the-top braaams because this came out before Inception.
"The Junkyard Vista" - great ambience
"Welcome to the Trash Coast" - great ambience, great bass, ends with a nice string glissando
"Trash the Bandits" - great action piece that has way more structure and development than Mandalorian
"Bring Your Guns" - literally sounds like it could be for a shootout in Mandalorian and even has the flute
That's the problem with this kind of music is it's defined by: weird sounds, heavy reverb, atmospheric sound design. So it can literally be used for anything.
"Bring Your Guns" in particular sounds like it could completely fit the show.
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Music cues from ep 2 had me thinking of Rocky, several times...
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it … needs consistency and structure.
Ya. In a nutshell.
Görnasson needs to decide which genre is he's dramatizing and settle on one colour and tonal palette to paint this universe with.
Because thus far he's all over the map. Is it El Poblado del Fraile? Is it Little Williamsville? Is it RCP Junction? Is it Dubstep Alley? Is it Philidelphia?
Like, make up your mind, dude!*
* of course, who's to say Göransson is the authorial voice here; given the short leash composers are kept on these days, he may just be following orders from above.
Is Williams doing Holst's Mars? Or Stravinsky's Rite of Spring? Or Korngold? Good grief, is that Bernard Herrmann during a space fight? Settle on something, Johnny! And don't get me started on those synths in the second movie! Totally out of place in a romantic space opera.
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Hey, I love Kyd's BORDERLANDS - especially BORDERLANDS: THE PRE-SEQUEL (never played the game; only have the soundtrack). But I'm not sure a straight-up synthwave score would be that much better. More consistent, yes, but not necessarily in line with the aesthetic they're going for.
Yeah I definitely mean just BORDERLANDS and not the synthy/spacey stuff from the PRE-SEQUEL. But it seriously could be swapped in to The Mandalorian. Though I do think Borderlands has some more unique identifiers in the way it consistently uses its bass, echoey jangly guitars, and periodic moments of melody.
Someone else was joking about John Williams being all over the place and it's true that he has a lot of references but the musical voice is definitely his own. The themes and melodies give those scores consistency, plus his use of instruments for specific moods. He also matches the action very well so there's a really firm cohesion to the images on screen.
Mandalorian plays more like a videogame, where the music just sort of forgettably fades into the background except when it doesn't and it's just too loud. It's funny because I believe the show wasn't shot anywhere on location but was in a 3D capture studio instead and all the landscapes were generated in the Unreal Engine. So it kind of IS like a videogame...
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Nov 19, 2019 - 10:30 AM
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Cinefanart
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Thanks for posting these tracks.......really enjoyed them. Scary how some games are given the full movie soundtrack treatment. That led me onto Halo and Skyrim, more melodic game scores..........lots of exciting stuff out there in the games universe, but I digress. Thanks Spotify!
To be precise, I don't think the SERIES is a missed opportunity. As I said, I love it so far -- so kudos to Disney for that. I was mainly talking about the score.
So was I. Not seen the series as it hasn’t touched our shores yet.....
I agree about the missed opportunity. I thought the music was really generic and often was too loud and noisy when it should have been absent or more quiet. It just completely lacked any musical through-line, which doesn't only have to happen with orchestral themes - it just needs consistency and structure.
Seriously, listen to BORDERLANDS 1 - I picked some songs for you:
"Enter Skag Gully" - starts with weird noises that would fit perfectly
"Removing the Bandit Threat" - could literally be used for any traveling shots in the show
"Traversing the Deep" - great use of bass drops that aren't over-the-top braaams because this came out before Inception.
"The Junkyard Vista" - great ambience
"Welcome to the Trash Coast" - great ambience, great bass, ends with a nice string glissando
"Trash the Bandits" - great action piece that has way more structure and development than Mandalorian
"Bring Your Guns" - literally sounds like it could be for a shootout in Mandalorian and even has the flute
That's the problem with this kind of music is it's defined by: weird sounds, heavy reverb, atmospheric sound design. So it can literally be used for anything.
"Bring Your Guns" in particular sounds like it could completely fit the show.
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