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 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

Thoughts, impressions on the film, people? My favorite Scorsese Film has been his film of 'The Aviator', which I continually find enjoyable, viewing after viewing. 'The Irishman' is right up there, closing in on it's heels for 'favorite'. Time will ultimately tell. The film was so compulsively watchable, it was close to being 'hypnotic', the film equivalent to maybe...heroin; I never got off the sofa once during it's entire running time. It will be interesting to see if Al Pacino and Joe Pesci duke it out in the Best Supporting Actor categories, though I feel Pacino would likely land in the Best Actor category. Pesci was a revelation here, he was so...quiet and mild mannered, as if on quaaludes. In his 'quietness', he delivered the goods, and was the polar-opposite to Pacino's imposingly huge, Jimmy Hoffa. I had to wait to see the tech. credits after the film, sure enough, Thelma Schoonmaker masterfully edited this film masterwork as no one else could. She should get an Editing Oscar nomination.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I thought it was just fine. Will probably watch it again one day. I think i gave it a 6.5/10. Maybe will like it more on future viewings.

All the acting was very solid but Pacino was excellent and the standout for me. I really enjoyed his performance.

The CGI on the actors, too often i found it very distracting. I had a hard time working out what age they were supposed to be on occasion. When they made their faces younger they unfortunately still had the bodies of old men. Not so bad in talking scenes, or when you're sat down but in long shots or movement it was jarring.

When DeNiro batters the guy who shoves his daughter, it was unintentionally funny. DeNiro looked odd, the guy he was beating up was screaming ridiculously over the top and obviously threw himself threw the doors. It was just bad.

There were a few scenes where it just looked like a set (as opposed to a real location) with very fake exteriors out of the windows, also in a couple of car shots too. Now it may have been the settings on my friend's TV or it may have been a location but with CGI scenery, but about 3 times i was taken out of the film by how fake it looked.

The acting, set design, costumes and editing was all great. Pacino should be up for a Best Supporting Actor nomination, i think.

I liked the little titles of when and where and how people were killed popping up over their introductions on occasion. That was a funny little touch and brought home the grim price you pay for being in the mafia club.

The story i found interesting without being too compelling.

The scene at the end where DeNiro connects with his daughter (a character who hasn't spoken at that point, i believe) about his other daughter (who has also barely said a word) didn't hold much weight for me, as i didn't really know either of the daughters or care that much about Sheeran.

They did do well showing Hoffa walking himself to his death, and you really didn't want him to go down that inevitable path.

I think it would have benefitted from being (and i'd probably have preferred it being) a mini series that was twice as long. The story felt like it could accommodate that length and probably needed it. Still, it's a decent film that people should watch. It also felt shorter than 3.5 hours (unlike this post).

More than anything, it made me want to read up on Hoffa and that time period. Not a bad thing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

" Best film of the year"
Mark R. Y.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

" Best film of the year"
Mark R. Y.


Almost. Second best after OUATIH. wink

Interesting, both films deal with macho/masculine men coming to terms with their aging.

I guess these two movies really speak to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

It was fine. Not a kinetic rock and roll epic like Goodfellas, but a more reflective story about a man's choices and regrets.

The CGI was distracting at times, but mainly because you know it's there. The scene with DeNiro stomping the grocer was...unfortunate. It just seemed like DeNiro could barely move.

The acting was fine, as noted above Pesci was fantastic. Pacino was chewing the scenery as always but he was just excellent. All three main actors should get Oscar nods.

Although long, the film was very well paced. Engrossing, so I knew I was watching a very long picture but it never ever started to drag.

I'll watch it again. It didn't knock me for a loop like Goodfellas, but it has enough to merit another viewing to let it sink in. I'd recommend it to anyone curious.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

" Best film of the year"
Mark R. Y.


Almost. Second best after OUATIH. wink

Interesting, both films deal with macho/masculine men coming to terms with their aging.

I guess these two movies really speak to me.


Your virility is waning fast. Get used to it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

" Best film of the year"
Mark R. Y.


Almost. Second best after OUATIH. wink

Interesting, both films deal with macho/masculine men coming to terms with their aging.

I guess these two movies really speak to me.


Your virility is waning fast. Get used to it.


Mnyah, I'm still 19. I'm at the height of my sexual potency.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2019 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

As mentioned above, it's apt to compare this with the Scorsese-DeNiro-Pesci Goodfellas from nearly 30 (30???!!!) years ago. On a superficial level, it's fun to note that it's now Scorsese newcomer Al Pacino who's the hothead in The Irishman, whereas Goodfellas' excitable Joe Pesci is the outwardly calm and controlled one here.

But, aside from being a standalone excellent saga, The Irishman really makes it clear how long ago the "New Hollywood" of the 1970s was. Mean Streets (with DeNiro and Harvey Keitel, who is also in Irishman) is pushing 50. Raging Bull was being made 40 years ago. It's great that we are getting a new classic Scorsese as we approach the 2020s, but sad that the era of smart, real, ambiguous film making is coming to a close as all that's left are empty-headed (and hearted) franchise spectacles, politically correct dramas (all heavy-handed "message," no nuance) and poorly written "binge" TV. Sure, there are a few worthy filmmakers here and there, but for how long?

Is The Irishman not only the end of the Scorsese crime chronicles but also maybe the last great American film?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I was fortunate to see it in the theatre, which definitely helped the movie. Those De Palma-ish steadicam shots would never have had the impact they did otherwise.

Overall, I found it to be a very good film. However, by focussing on the 'middle man' that is Frank Sheeran, it loses the mythological 'rise-to-power' aspect of a film like, say, GOODFELLAS. It becomes somewhat pedestrian, and doesn't play quite as well to Scorsese's strengths as a filmmaker; IMO. Something happens to the build and narrative flow. But yeah -- good movie. It currently features on my 18th place of 2019 (out of 137), which is high.

I aim to watch it again on Netflix when I get the chance, but three and a half hours is quite an investment.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I was fortunate to see it in the theatre, which definitely helped the movie. Those De Palma-ish steadicam shots would never have had the impact they did otherwise.

Overall, I found it to be a very good film. However, by focussing on the 'middle man' that is Frank Sheeran, it loses the mythological 'rise-to-power' aspect of a film like, say, GOODFELLAS. It becomes somewhat pedestrian, and doesn't play quite as well to Scorsese's strengths as a filmmaker; IMO. Something happens to the build and narrative flow. But yeah -- good movie. It currently features on my 18th place of 2019 (out of 137), which is high.

I aim to watch it again on Netflix when I get the chance, but three and a half hours is quite an investment.


Did you make it through the entire run time without a washroom break? If so, your bladder is better than mine! Given his fondness for classic films, it would have been great if Scorsese had produced a "roadshow" presentation with an intermission.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, amazingly I made it through without a bathroom break. While I tend to prefer shorter movies these days, it was great to see Scorsese get more or less total freedom in how it was all executed, including length.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

I found the film too long.
Too many dead zones.
how in the hell did Joe Pesci character stay in the car for about 4 hours and not move? In the airport scene when DeNiro fly's off to Detroit to kill Hoffa, then returns.

I agree that most of today's movies are B.S.
I do not feel that this movie will hold up over time.
Jack Nicholson did Hoffa better.

(so it written so it shall be done) it's an ego thing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

how in the hell did Joe Pesci character stay in the car for about 4 hours and not move? In the airport scene when DeNiro fly's off to Detroit to kill Hoffa, then returns.

Who says he sat in the car the whole time? big grin

Also, could you please put a spoiler tag over the bit that I did? Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

how in the hell did Joe Pesci character stay in the car for about 4 hours and not move? In the airport scene when DeNiro fly's off to Detroit to kill Hoffa, then returns.

Who says he sat in the car the whole time? big grin

Also, could you please put a spoiler tag over the bit that I did? Thanks.


you are correct. I'm sorry about that.
but the subject said "after viewing"

Well I get the impression that he just sat their.
there was no place to go if look at the scene. plus he did not drive.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

you are correct. I'm sorry about that.
but the subject said "after viewing"


Good point.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Almost. Second best after OUATIH

I too loved OUATIH, so now I think I must see The Irishman. (It is also a given since it has Doo Wop songs.smile)

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

Almost. Second best after OUATIH

I too loved OUATIH, so now I think I must see The Irishman. (It is also a given since it has Doo Wop songs.smile)


I'm happy to report that the National Board of Review has awarded The Irishman Best Film of 2019, with Tarantino winning Best Director. I'm in shock that The Powers That Be out there are in agreement with me. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Fuck the NBOR .
Their only claim to ' fame's is they hafta be the first group to give awards.
I spit on.the whole rotten bunch!

Have a Merry X- Mas!!!!!
smilei

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

GOODFELLAS has to be the.most overrated flic of all- time( Pulliam agrees with me on.this) A wallow in violence and hate.

Not remotely interested in. a 4 HR. Version. Esp. If MARKY praises it wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2019 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

Fuck the NBOR .
Their only claim to ' game's is they hafta be the first group to give awards.
I spit on.the whole rotten bunch!

Have a Merry X- Mas!!!!!
smile


They are the only end-of-the-year awards group that ever gave Ken Russell a much-deserved Best Director of the Year prize, so for that they have my eternal gratitude.

I will be wishing you a happy Christmas as well....when we arrive at that point of time a few weeks from now!

 
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