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 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   kam   (Member)

I got into this game back at the tail end of 2007. My first order that I ever recall placing with any of the soundtrack labels was with Intrada for their then-new releases of Jaws 3-D, One Night with the King, and The Mechanic. I was 16 at the time and in high school.

I'm also in Canada. Shipping for three CDs was $5.60 back then. The Canadian dollar was also roughly the same as the US dollar so I paid $5.60.

Now shipping is $17 US* (or $24 Canadian) -- but it's more cost-effective now to order 7 titles, because shipping is $17 regardless if I buy 2 titles or 7. The Canadian dollar nosedived in 2015 and it hasn't recovered ever since.

I used to have a huge collector mentality. I've hopped between numerous jobs since leaving high school so back then I could afford to do a lot of buying. I'd estimate that I now have between 75-80% of every release that Intrada, Varese, and LLL have put out (even their old catalog from the late 80s and 90s).

But I lost my job a year and a half ago. I've been unemployed and living on disability assistance ever since. I can barely afford food nevermind barely afford to place 1-2 big soundtrack orders every month now. But at the same time, I'll be damned if I ever go back to working retail (or god forbid fast food) and risk earning myself feet and back issues again at the expense of earning minimum wage.

I listen to samples for everything now - which is really what I should have been doing in the first place, instead of buying everything that everyone released. And I will commend the soundtrack industry here for keeping the price of CDs (for the most part) at $20 or less. But that's $28 for me -- and between shipping costs increasing every year, and having to pay 1.4 times what the US price is on top of everything, it's getting harder and harder for me to justify picking up even the titles I want.

So usually I wait. I wait until something I want is about to sell out, or go out of print, or I wait for sales. But I'm having to pass on more and more sales now, because I can't justify it even with the reduced prices. 25% or 30% off barely qualifies as a "sale" to me. Warner Archive just ran a 40% off sale (combined with free US shipping on orders over $100) that was a better deal than any of the BF sales some of the soundtrack labels just offered.

And soundtrack CDs are pretty much the only luxury I invest in for the most part. I haven't seen 90-95% of the movies or TV shows representing my entire soundtrack collection (I have thousands). I've had to sell off a bunch of my other things so I could afford to get some recent new releases. I'm still collecting every Intrada release but I'm starting to question whether or not I should bother keeping at that.

I'm not asking for sympathy or to bum money off of anyone. I guess my point is this:
a) nothing lasts forever, and living as if you will be prosperous forever will eventually come back to bite you; and
b) all those news articles about millennials "killing off" numerous industries is just highlighing the fact that we're broke as hell and nobody wants to pay us anymore. (it's also part of the reason why "ok boomer" has become a thing recently but I'll leave it at that)


*(Those are Intrada's current rates, but SAE and LLL charge even higher. To be fair to them however, it costs less to go to them as a Canadian buyer if you're only buying 2 or 3 titles as opposed to 6 or 7)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

I sympathize-collecting soundtracks can be an expensive hobby.
There are often good deals on EBay for major label soundtracks once the first wave of buying is over, and people reduce their collections.
On the other hand, many soundtracks go out of print fairly quickly, and never go down appreciably. I was lucky to get the Bernard Herrmann at Fox box set when it came out at $199.00. It went to over $500 immediately and has never come down.
Oh Well.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

You must have bunches of CDs that are OOP and people would pay for on eBay or somewhere. Unsealed but like new, I'm guessing? You could sell whatever you don't prioritize as a collector, and that would help you with cash, shelf space, and how hard it is the next time you have to pack up and move.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 10:07 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

Living in the UK we have had to get used to shipping costs being very expensive from the US.
I pledged to myself in 2017/2018 that I would not buy from the US and look for bargains on eBay and I found a load of stuff. I bought quite a few Scores from between £2-£10 and even found the three cd sets for Wyatt Earp and Roger Rabbit for about £20.

However, then LLL released Superman and Intrada released Apollo 13 so I dug deep again!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2019 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I hate to say this but you should consider yourself lucky to live in Canada; where I live (South America), such things as 'disability assistance' simply don't exist, so if you're out of work or even sick, you'll end up out in the street (i'm not joking).

Like you, I used to buy more CDs when I was a college student (how ironic), and adult life has certainly cut down on the purchases. Then again, how many soundtracks can anyone buy anywhere? Serious collectors are a minority, and that's why most releases are limited editions. As for me, I try to stick only to titles and composers I consider to be essential, which doesn't save me from losing out on many limited editions.

What am I trying to say with all of this? That you are not alone, and you could certainly be doing a lot worse. Trust me: most people I know would go through a lot of pain and hunger just to be able to live in a country like Canada.

Breathe deeply, and consider yourself lucky.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   Chabudai Joe   (Member)


Collecting CDs in Asia takes more pain and effort than in North America.
I've been doing it for 30 years already.
I agree with you that collecting soundtracks is a really expensive hobby.
Nevertheless, collecting is like an addiction.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 1:47 AM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

Living in the UK we have had to get used to shipping costs being very expensive from the US.
I pledged to myself in 2017/2018 that I would not buy from the US and look for bargains on eBay and I found a load of stuff. I bought quite a few Scores from between £2-£10 and even found the three cd sets for Wyatt Earp and Roger Rabbit for about £20.

However, then LLL released Superman and Intrada released Apollo 13 so I dug deep again!



Totally agree re the expensive costs to the UK. I used to buy so much stuff from the US but now am put off by sellers charging $15-$20 dollars postage. When I have raised this issue on here before I am told that these are the costs, so lump it...... But I do think some sellers are taking advantage of us. How can some sellers (ie. The excellent All Your Music) offer free postage to send a CD to the UK.? Also why are companies in the US not complaining about the way these postage charges to outside the US are hitting their exports and lobbying Congress or something? I thought that as a protectionist Trump would be making it more expensive to import and cheaper to export goods. WTF is going on? Why does it cost three times as much to send a CD to the UK as it does to send the CD from the UK to the US? Someone, somewhere in the US is making a huge profit.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   Dr Smith   (Member)

Postal rates from the US to the rest of the world are prohibitively high nowadays.
I used to sell stuff Worldwide on Ebay, but it's now too expensive to bother with.
But I can still buy stuff from Europe & Asia very reasonably.
I think it has to do with the US Postal Service being a quasi-private "for profit" enterprise.
Most postal systems are somewhat subsidized.
By the way, SAE is still sales tax free, and offers cheaper Media Mail shipping, which I why I buy from them within the US.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Looking on the bright side, the FSM CDs from 1998 are still the same price as over 22 years ago, but I've yet to find a bar that'll sell me a pint of beer for 85p nowadays.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

Soundtrack collecting is a complicated profession.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


I think it has to do with the US Postal Service being a quasi-private "for profit" enterprise.
Most postal systems are somewhat subsidized.


Just to be clear a certain political party in the US has mandated undue regulations on the US Postal Service in an attempt to bankrupt the system so they can turn around and contract out the mail service to private companies.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

To the OP I feel your pain. I don't have the spending cash I had a decade ago. I'm sure the specialty labels are feeling the pain too.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

I hate to say this but you should consider yourself lucky to live in Canada; where I live (South America), such things as 'disability assistance' simply don't exist, so if you're out of work or even sick, you'll end up out in the street (i'm not joking).

Today I looked out of my window at work and saw with my own eyes, an elderly man, as thin as a rake, lying on the pavement. A younger, healthy man walked up to him, stole something out of his pocket, and slapped him in the face. The old man, disorientated from what had happened, started crawling away on all fours and I realised then that he was partially paralysed. He started trying to crawl across a busy intersection with cars driving past. Two ladies from our office went out to help and gave him something to eat. This man has nothing, no food, no shelter, cannot defend himself and cannot even walk. I'm sure he'd love to get disability assistance, if such a thing existed in my country. I don't think he would even understand what it is as he is very likely uneducated and illiterate. OP, sorry about your misfortune, but consider your blessings to be living in a First World country.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

Just to be clear a certain political party in the US has mandated undue regulations on the US Postal Service in an attempt to bankrupt the system so they can turn around and contract out the mail service to private companies.

In my country the Post Office is effectively bankrupt and has been for years yet the government refuses to privatise it.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   1977   (Member)

To the OP I feel your pain. I don't have the spending cash I had a decade ago. I'm sure the specialty labels are feeling the pain too.

Our exchange rate has plummeted in the last ten years, so a $19.95 title costs me double what it cost me in 2009. The postage situation compounds the issue further.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)


I think it has to do with the US Postal Service being a quasi-private "for profit" enterprise.
Most postal systems are somewhat subsidized.


Just to be clear a certain political party in the US has mandated undue regulations on the US Postal Service in an attempt to bankrupt the system so they can turn around and contract out the mail service to private companies.


The irony is that the private companies rely on the USPS for a large portion of their deliveries, particularly in rural areas. If the USPS goes belly up, lots of people living in the sticks will be paying dearly for mail delivery, if it's available at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

All my classical buying is now via lossless downloads. The new releases cost $12 at sites like Presto Classical. No shipping costs. No damaged cases. No waiting days or weeks... not even hours. I don't know of any classical new release that I've wanted over the last year or two to be unavailable as a lossless download.
Instead of blaming the post office for their rates, maybe we should be blaming the powers-that-be who decree that our soundtracks aren't made available as lossless downloads (or even hi-res downloads) for those who would prefer them and would welcome the big cost saving. If it's the studios who insist the labels can only sell CDs and not provide downloads, that's not the fault of the post office.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I was lucky that I was there in the glory days. Fifties & sixties original soundtracks released every month, the dollar/UK pound exchange rate really good, low postage & no customs charges. Things are very different now, & I'm sure the specialist record companies must have noticed lower international sales. Just as well that hardly anything released these days appeals to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2019 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Through the 70s/80s/90s I was able to add to my collection on a regular basis, and by 2005-2008 I was making enough money to buy as many CDs as I wanted. And I did razz But in 2009 things changed as I had several bouts of unemployment, low paying and good paying jobs, more unemployment, until finally late this year I ended up working for the county's Social Services and again am earning a nice living...

But my soundtrack buying habits are still around the those lean years when I had to really cut back. Usually any new Goldsmith was immediately ordered, now it's more "Would I really enjoy this score?" In 2008 I would have bought the Williams' Harry Potter box or the Apes box without a thought ( some items, like the LLL Jurassaic Park box were immediate buys however ). Now each release is debated. I even find myself questioning buying a new Blu Ray, sometimes even a $10 paperback book or an $8.99 MP3 only release. I can afford it, but - should I ?

Those lean years made me more frugal. More reasonable . I don't listen to half those I've bought over the last 10 years anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2019 - 12:32 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

@kam

Find a task that is much more important for you than systematically collecting data mediums and that can give you the affirmation you need. That's the ONLY way out of this situation. Focusing your thoughts around things that you can't afford as symbols of your former life only drags you down in your depression.

 
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